Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers
Discussion
Back in the days when Alfa Romeo were building their own engines, one journalist was interviewing the Alfa team manager (they had managers then, not Team Principals) after a race about the reason for the retirement of one of their cars.
The team manager explained that it was the result of an oil leak. Drawing back a cover which had been placed over the car, he pointed at the engine. "From that hole in the crankcase...."
The team manager explained that it was the result of an oil leak. Drawing back a cover which had been placed over the car, he pointed at the engine. "From that hole in the crankcase...."
Derek Smith said:
I was at Clearways back in the day when a V12 Ferrari GT dropped a valve. Bits of the engine shot up into the air, and the car deposited oil on the track as a rod went through the crankcase. It happened right in front of us, and the car stopped where we could see the damage. The message came out later that it was a gearbox problem.
Nothing changes.
Faulty gear shift = engine goes boom.Nothing changes.
Used to happen regularly.
James Allison said:
Although there are very eye catching and flashy things like the DAS on this year’s car, there is written through every part of the car’s substance there is innovation at every level.
Just take our lower rear wishbone, effectively we swapped the front and rear leg round on the lower rear wishbone.
It doesn’t garner much attention in the press because it’s not that dramatic visually, but by doing that you give a more clear run for the aerodynamicist to get high energy air down to a part of the car that loves high energy air.
To do that, all of the people who work on the structural side of the gearbox and the suspension and the crash structures really have their work cut out to actually put together a layout of suspension that is kinematically good, and which is strong enough and stiff enough to retain the same sort of driving characteristics that we know works so well on the previous year’s car, despite the fact that a lot of the main forces are running down very different paths, through the legs, once you juggle them round like that.
They have extended the gearbox casing and then bolted the rear lower wishbone towards the rearward end of it, meaning that the carbon fibre casing is a longer 'beam' with a similar load going onto the end of it. If it's not super stiff it'll have a lower natural resonant frequency..? Just take our lower rear wishbone, effectively we swapped the front and rear leg round on the lower rear wishbone.
It doesn’t garner much attention in the press because it’s not that dramatic visually, but by doing that you give a more clear run for the aerodynamicist to get high energy air down to a part of the car that loves high energy air.
To do that, all of the people who work on the structural side of the gearbox and the suspension and the crash structures really have their work cut out to actually put together a layout of suspension that is kinematically good, and which is strong enough and stiff enough to retain the same sort of driving characteristics that we know works so well on the previous year’s car, despite the fact that a lot of the main forces are running down very different paths, through the legs, once you juggle them round like that.
Edited by HustleRussell on Thursday 9th July 23:15
Presumably both mercs getting major gearbox sensor issues on the same laps is bulls
t. And Mercedes have painted themselves into a corner cos they have to be so ‘fair’ that in fact it is unfair. Say bottas is the one who really had a problem they gave the same message to both to stop Lewis attacking, or if Lewis has the problem to stop bottas pulling out some massive lead and Lewis therefore continuing to go over kerbs.
TLDR I call bullst that both mercs had same problem to same extent.
t. And Mercedes have painted themselves into a corner cos they have to be so ‘fair’ that in fact it is unfair. Say bottas is the one who really had a problem they gave the same message to both to stop Lewis attacking, or if Lewis has the problem to stop bottas pulling out some massive lead and Lewis therefore continuing to go over kerbs.TLDR I call bulls
t that both mercs had same problem to same extent.Is this the bit in question? https://youtu.be/701KIdA5Qr4?t=630
He says 'it's all in Claire's hands' which is a bit odd, as that's not strictly true - Mercedes could recall him from Williams and pay whatever cost without hesitation..
I don't see that as a negative comment on Claire though - unless the insinuation is that it's up to her to convince him to stay?? That's a bit of a stretch though. He was probably just saying that so long as she's happy to keep him and he's happy to stay, he'll stay until something else maybe opens up.
Or maybe I watched the wrong video!?
He says 'it's all in Claire's hands' which is a bit odd, as that's not strictly true - Mercedes could recall him from Williams and pay whatever cost without hesitation..
I don't see that as a negative comment on Claire though - unless the insinuation is that it's up to her to convince him to stay?? That's a bit of a stretch though. He was probably just saying that so long as she's happy to keep him and he's happy to stay, he'll stay until something else maybe opens up.
Or maybe I watched the wrong video!?
Yes that’s the clip Deuce.
I disagree. I think he chose his words very carefully and to mention her personally rather than the team speaks volumes.
jsf said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Anyone hear George Russel's comments the driver interviews? Strong words against Claire Williams.
No they were not. He didnt say anything negative about Claire.CoolHands said:
Presumably both mercs getting major gearbox sensor issues on the same laps is bullst. And Mercedes have painted themselves into a corner cos they have to be so ‘fair’ that in fact it is unfair. Say bottas is the one who really had a problem they gave the same message to both to stop Lewis attacking, or if Lewis has the problem to stop bottas pulling out some massive lead and Lewis therefore continuing to go over kerbs.
TLDR I call bullst that both mercs had same problem to same extent.
I got the impression that they told them both to stay off the kerbs as soon as they found out what took Russell out of the race. I might be mis-remembering but I'm not sure they actually ever said that the cars were failing, just that "the gearbox sensor issue was critical" which could equally mean that the flaw in the part which can lead it to fail if jolted around was critical. t. And Mercedes have painted themselves into a corner cos they have to be so ‘fair’ that in fact it is unfair. Say bottas is the one who really had a problem they gave the same message to both to stop Lewis attacking, or if Lewis has the problem to stop bottas pulling out some massive lead and Lewis therefore continuing to go over kerbs.TLDR I call bulls
t that both mercs had same problem to same extent.Another possibility is that the sensors had both been getting closer to failure for the whole weekend but only after Russell's car failed did they know what to look for the telemetry to see it. I don't know much about the details of F1 telemetry but many real-time embedded systems have a LOT of logging; so much that it would be realistically impossible to spot small anomolies in the data unless you know what you're looking for.
Edited by kambites on Friday 10th July 06:37
kambites said:
I got the impression that they told them both to stay off the kerbs as soon as they found out what took Russell out of the race. I might be mis-remembering but I'm not sure they actually ever said that the cars were failing, just that "the gearbox sensor issue was critical" which could equally mean that the flaw in the part which can lead it to fail if jolted around was critical.
Another possibility is that the sensors had both been getting closer to failure for the whole weekend but only after Russell's car failed did they know what to look for the telemetry to see it. I don't know much about the details of F1 telemetry but many real-time embedded systems have a LOT of logging; so much that it would be realistically impossible to spot small anomolies in the data unless you know what you're looking for.
I’m sure they said during the race that Williams don’t use the Mercedes gearbox, they have their own?Another possibility is that the sensors had both been getting closer to failure for the whole weekend but only after Russell's car failed did they know what to look for the telemetry to see it. I don't know much about the details of F1 telemetry but many real-time embedded systems have a LOT of logging; so much that it would be realistically impossible to spot small anomolies in the data unless you know what you're looking for.
Edited by kambites on Friday 10th July 06:37
Mr Dendrite said:
I’m sure they said during the race that Williams don’t use the Mercedes gearbox, they have their own?
It would appear that you are right, but one of the engineers definitey mentioned Russell's failure in the same context as the potential issue with the Mercedes cars. Maybe the gearbox electronics are shared even if the mechanicals aren't? LaurasOtherHalf said:
Yes that’s the clip Deuce.
I disagree. I think he chose his words very carefully and to mention her personally rather than the team speaks volumes.
What's up with this misogyny dude? He's just giving her recognition which she deserves as the first woman at this position in this sport. It's a cut throat environment run by whyte men who do nothing but surround themselves with more whyte men who aren't even gay (so they have women at home, most likely, you see the pattern here). She's extremely brave.jsf said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
Anyone hear George Russel's comments the driver interviews? Strong words against Claire Williams.
No they were not. He didnt say anything negative about Claire.I expect he named her personally because he deals directly with her and not the team when it comes to contract details etc
I’d be careful how I’d word criticisms though as she is the only female team principle at the mo so could be misconstrued (not that I think anything said was misogynistic...
I’d be careful how I’d word criticisms though as she is the only female team principle at the mo so could be misconstrued (not that I think anything said was misogynistic...
Horace Van Khute said:
What's up with this misogyny dude? He's just giving her recognition which she deserves as the first woman at this position in this sport. It's a cut throat environment run by whyte men who do nothing but surround themselves with more whyte men who aren't even gay (so they have women at home, most likely, you see the pattern here). She's extremely brave.
Wow.This is a uniquely unusual response, start to finish
Horace Van Khute said:
What's up with this misogyny dude? He's just giving her recognition which she deserves as the first woman at this position in this sport. It's a cut throat environment run by whyte men who do nothing but surround themselves with more whyte men who aren't even gay (so they have women at home, most likely, you see the pattern here). She's extremely brave.
agreed, hes simplying out that shes in charge and that any decision on his career will be made by her.TheDeuce said:
Horace Van Khute said:
What's up with this misogyny dude? He's just giving her recognition which she deserves as the first woman at this position in this sport. It's a cut throat environment run by whyte men who do nothing but surround themselves with more whyte men who aren't even gay (so they have women at home, most likely, you see the pattern here). She's extremely brave.
Wow.This is a uniquely unusual response, start to finish
Oilchange said:
I expect he named her personally because he deals directly with her and not the team when it comes to contract details etc
I’d be careful how I’d word criticisms though as she is the only female team principle at the mo so could be misconstrued (not that I think anything said was misogynistic...
Absolutely BE CAREFUL what you're saying about women if you're a whyte boy. 24/7/52/365/100.I’d be careful how I’d word criticisms though as she is the only female team principle at the mo so could be misconstrued (not that I think anything said was misogynistic...
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