Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

[kambites]

Bit of a moot point perhaps anyway. Doesn't look like he's going to have a seat next year.

[ajprice]

Google Maps of the circuit. Someone's been busy

[anonymous-user]

TheDeuce said:

and/or Seb is indeed on some sort of downward spiral that increases in velocity at an alarming rate!

I think we really need to see a relatively benign and incident free race to see how these drivers really compare this season. It just doesn't look good for Seb right now.

He said after FP2 that he's happier with the car than he was last week. Maybe the eulogy on his weekend and career should wait until after the competitive bit?

[TheDeuce]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

TheDeuce said:

and/or Seb is indeed on some sort of downward spiral that increases in velocity at an alarming rate!

I think we really need to see a relatively benign and incident free race to see how these drivers really compare this season. It just doesn't look good for Seb right now.

He said after FP2 that he's happier with the car than he was last week. Maybe the eulogy on his weekend and career should wait until after the competitive bit?

Today potentially was the competitive bit. Probably quali will still happen one way or another, but there is a reasonable danger it may not.

Also, see last weeks quali.

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

but the pace deficit so far is astonishing imo.

You are easily astonished. There's been one competitive shootout so far this season, and Seb was slower by 0.165s and one position when it mattered.

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

but the pace deficit so far is astonishing imo.

You are easily astonished. There's been one competitive shootout so far this season, and Seb was slower by 0.165s and one position when it mattered.

Last weeks quali? He was 4 places back from LeClerc and nearly 3 tenths off. He was eliminated in Q2. And I don't think it's over dramatic to question what held him back today, which is all that's happening.

Regards his general performance over the last season and so far this season, he's been off his game in various ways - who can deny that? I doubt he would deny that.

[thegreenhell]

TheDeuce said:

Last weeks quali? He was 4 places back from LeClerc and nearly 3 tenths off. He was eliminated in Q2. And I don't think it's over dramatic to question what held him back today, which is all that's happening.

Regards his general performance over the last season and so far this season, he's been off his game in various ways - who can deny that? I doubt he would deny that.

He was 0.165s off. You can't compare times different sessions that way unless you're deliberately trying to make an unfavourable point.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

jsf said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

Europa1 said:

F1GTRUeno said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

TheDeuce said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Anyone hear George Russel's comments the driver interviews? Strong words against Claire Williams.

Got a link?..

Was on sky tonight and also on the F1 YouTube channel, skip to the end for williams.

Just link the damn clip instead of telling people to hunt for it. People seriously need to stop doing this.

If you want to have other people see something that you want to discuss then it's on you to provide the evidence.

They can use the time they save by using Sky subtitle abbreviations rather than typing a driver's full name.

https://youtu.be/701KIdA5Qr4
(The key bit is at 10:35 - sorry I don't know how to copy a link at a specific time whilst on my phone.)

If this is the clip there are no strong words against Claire - he just states facts about his contracts i.e. his contracts are with Mercedes and Williams, he has a contract with Williams for next year so it's up to Claire whether he would be available to another team, be it Renault or Mercedes, before 2022.

LOH talking out of his bottom unfortunately.

Nothing Russell said was even remotely controversial.

You're trolling of everything I post is almost as predictable as your replies.

Look, let's bury the hatchet (in the back of my head if you like?), I know you're still sore after I pointed out your lack of understanding of F1 engine installations for all the forum to read but it was like what, 3 years ago now?! I'm not at all bothered, rather strangely you're not my first PistonHeads stalker but I'm willing to accept it might be my posting style that attracts the weirdos.

But I understand it clutters up the forum for other users.

If you think I'm posting utter drivel (not unknown) then by all means disagree, if you do so in a none trolling way I'm more than happy to carry on a polite discussion-as a builder I'm more than happy to converse using expletives if you like but simply disagreeing for the sake of it gets rather tedious. It's all rather predictable at present, and that throwaway comment all those years ago wasn't meant to offend, simply to educate.

Anyway, I hope I am wrong about RUS ( ).

If Mercedes or anyone else were interested in signing him I can imagine Williams holding him to ransom to the detriment to his career. if they thought they could get an extra 50p out of the deal.

[Will O. Bey jr]

I'd be great to have the qually tomorrow, hope the rain doesn't kill the session as I'm genuinely curious and want to see if Hamilton was sandbagging today or not.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Will O. Bey jr said:

I'd be great to have the qually tomorrow, hope the rain doesn't kill the session as I'm genuinely curious and want to see if Hamilton was sandbagging today or not.

If there's a risk of no running with downpours tomorrow I can't imagine he'd sandbag, not the team would let him. Is he chasing a set up seeing as he was off the pace last week though (that's probably a daft question as he obviously is) and where will it get him?

[anonymous-user]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You're trolling of everything I post is almost as predictable as your replies.

Look, let's bury the hatchet (in the back of my head if you like?), I know you're still sore after I pointed out your lack of understanding of F1 engine installations for all the forum to read but it was like what, 3 years ago now?! I'm not at all bothered, rather strangely you're not my first PistonHeads stalker but I'm willing to accept it might be my posting style that attracts the weirdos.

But I understand it clutters up the forum for other users.

If you think I'm posting utter drivel (not unknown) then by all means disagree, if you do so in a none trolling way I'm more than happy to carry on a polite discussion-as a builder I'm more than happy to converse using expletives if you like but simply disagreeing for the sake of it gets rather tedious. It's all rather predictable at present, and that throwaway comment all those years ago wasn't meant to offend, simply to educate.

Anyway, I hope I am wrong about RUS ( ).

If Mercedes or anyone else were interested in signing him I can imagine Williams holding him to ransom to the detriment to his career. if they thought they could get an extra 50p out of the deal.

Wow, thats mental.

Not a clue what you are banging on about.

[rallycross]

thegreenhell said:

Or there's that other old guy they just signed. They should use him.

The old guy who is a quick as anyone else on the grid tomorrow.

[confucuis]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Will O. Bey jr said:

I'd be great to have the qually tomorrow, hope the rain doesn't kill the session as I'm genuinely curious and want to see if Hamilton was sandbagging today or not.

If there's a risk of no running with downpours tomorrow I can't imagine he'd sandbag, not the team would let him. Is he chasing a set up seeing as he was off the pace last week though (that's probably a daft question as he obviously is) and where will it get him?

Is the weather really that bad for tomorrow? Or is it more they don't want them to race in the very wet conditions (which seems to me at least to be creeping in a bit more).

[LaurasOtherHalf]

confucuis said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Will O. Bey jr said:

I'd be great to have the qually tomorrow, hope the rain doesn't kill the session as I'm genuinely curious and want to see if Hamilton was sandbagging today or not.

If there's a risk of no running with downpours tomorrow I can't imagine he'd sandbag, not the team would let him. Is he chasing a set up seeing as he was off the pace last week though (that's probably a daft question as he obviously is) and where will it get him?

Is the weather really that bad for tomorrow? Or is it more they don't want them to race in the very wet conditions (which seems to me at least to be creeping in a bit more).

Long week at work so I'm not 100% up to speed on rules and regs but I was saying to the wife earlier on the subject-if it's wet tomorrow they might be worried about too much last minute staff intermingling to run qually Sunday morning. Or a delayed qually Saturday?

[TheDeuce]

thegreenhell said:

TheDeuce said:

Last weeks quali? He was 4 places back from LeClerc and nearly 3 tenths off. He was eliminated in Q2. And I don't think it's over dramatic to question what held him back today, which is all that's happening.

Regards his general performance over the last season and so far this season, he's been off his game in various ways - who can deny that? I doubt he would deny that.

He was 0.165s off. You can't compare times different sessions that way unless you're deliberately trying to make an unfavourable point.

Not wishing to argue but intrigued by your pov - can you explain? Do you mean only the Q2 times should be fairly compared? If so I'd kind of agree... but also not..

[TheDeuce]

jsf said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You're trolling of everything I post is almost as predictable as your replies.

Look, let's bury the hatchet (in the back of my head if you like?), I know you're still sore after I pointed out your lack of understanding of F1 engine installations for all the forum to read but it was like what, 3 years ago now?! I'm not at all bothered, rather strangely you're not my first PistonHeads stalker but I'm willing to accept it might be my posting style that attracts the weirdos.

But I understand it clutters up the forum for other users.

If you think I'm posting utter drivel (not unknown) then by all means disagree, if you do so in a none trolling way I'm more than happy to carry on a polite discussion-as a builder I'm more than happy to converse using expletives if you like but simply disagreeing for the sake of it gets rather tedious. It's all rather predictable at present, and that throwaway comment all those years ago wasn't meant to offend, simply to educate.

Anyway, I hope I am wrong about RUS ( ).

If Mercedes or anyone else were interested in signing him I can imagine Williams holding him to ransom to the detriment to his career. if they thought they could get an extra 50p out of the deal.

Wow, thats mental.

Not a clue what you are banging on about.

To be fair you're both sods to deal with when I disagree with either of you or vice versa. I have no problem with that though

What are we on a forum for if not to debate... Debate doesn't have to be polite in my book, so long as there is some intelligence behind the contrary view.

[anonymous-user]

I love it when we all fall out on here during one of our mass debates.

[TheDeuce]

The thing is.. I've always held the view that i'd rather argue and be forced to reconsider my own views than 'win'. Which is a good stance I think, since winning an argument on PH is basically impossible anyway.

Arguments are good and healthy. Not because you might win.. That's just pride. But because you might learn you're wrong. That's why I argue, to test the strength of my own view. If it collapses under attack, I know I'm wrong

[TheDeuce]

confucuis said:

Is the weather really that bad for tomorrow? Or is it more they don't want them to race in the very wet conditions (which seems to me at least to be creeping in a bit more).

In theory the last word comes down to a driver vote as to whether or not they should run the session (it's the drivers that have to deal with the wet). In practice these days, race control will listen to the teams - who in turn will have sounded out their drivers. And regardless of the teams input, race control can choose to cancel if they think it's too dangerous.

Everyone is forced to be sensitive to liability these days, so you're right - wet weather is increasingly likely to cause either a cancellation or an extended safety car start with the cars themselves being used to vac dry the racing line until it's deemed 'safe'.

[Oilchange]

TheDeuce said:

The thing is.. I've always held the view that i'd rather argue and be forced to reconsider my own views than 'win'. Which is a good stance I think, since winning an argument on PH is basically impossible anyway.

Arguments are good and healthy. Not because you might win.. That's just pride. But because you might learn you're wrong. That's why I argue, to test the strength of my own view. If it collapses under attack, I know I'm wrong

I like this argument, I shall use it in future