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motco said:
Clair Williams said in an on-camera piece on C4 yesterday before the qualifying highlights actually started that she thinks more attrition and more crashes would be good.
I think she meant that a carnage race would be good for her team’s chances of getting a point or two in their off-the-pace car. Sandpit Steve said:
motco said:
Clair Williams said in an on-camera piece on C4 yesterday before the qualifying highlights actually started that she thinks more attrition and more crashes would be good.
I think she meant that a carnage race would be good for her team’s chances of getting a point or two in their off-the-pace car. motco said:
Clair Williams said in an on-camera piece on C4 yesterday before the qualifying highlights actually started that she thinks more attrition and more crashes would be good.
Well yes.. it's proved the most effective way of her cars getting within snatching distance of points! She once said she dreams of corner 1 pile ups with only her cars getting through.. I think the uncertainty caused by early unreliability will help spice up the season. What I mean is, when we know the true performance of cars and drivers, we will pretty much know it’s Hamilton’s season to loose. But while the cars are still suffering reliability issues we can kid ourselves it’s an open fight.
TheDeuce said:
motco said:
Clair Williams said in an on-camera piece on C4 yesterday before the qualifying highlights actually started that she thinks more attrition and more crashes would be good.
Well yes.. it's proved the most effective way of her cars getting within snatching distance of points! She once said she dreams of corner 1 pile ups with only her cars getting through.. I used to think that way when I was a child.
SpudLink said:
I think the uncertainty caused by early unreliability will help spice up the season. What I mean is, when we know the true performance of cars and drivers, we will pretty much know it’s Hamilton’s season to loose. But while the cars are still suffering reliability issues we can kid ourselves it’s an open fight.
It's certainly true that uncertainty remains up and down the grid, but also plenty of evidence that Mercedes are a distance ahead of anyone else...That does leave Lewis a curious problem though. He has a points deficit to Bottas to recover, and assuming Lewis wins, it's very likely Bottas will come second so it'll take winning the next two races just to draw level. If he has any more misfortune, or worse of all a DNF, it could mean he can only win by the rest of his season being flawless.
Teddy Lop said:
TheDeuce said:
motco said:
Clair Williams said in an on-camera piece on C4 yesterday before the qualifying highlights actually started that she thinks more attrition and more crashes would be good.
Well yes.. it's proved the most effective way of her cars getting within snatching distance of points! She once said she dreams of corner 1 pile ups with only her cars getting through.. I used to think that way when I was a child.
Indeed, in terms of race strategy it is a bit basic
TheDeuce said:
It's certainly true that uncertainty remains up and down the grid, but also plenty of evidence that Mercedes are a distance ahead of anyone else...
That does leave Lewis a curious problem though. He has a points deficit to Bottas to recover, and assuming Lewis wins, it's very likely Bottas will come second so it'll take winning the next two races just to draw level. If he has any more misfortune, or worse of all a DNF, it could mean he can only win by the rest of his season being flawless.
Based on last week’s race, the two Mercedes were being screamed at to keep off the kerbs and save the cars, but were still pulling half a second a lap on the Red Bull behind them. That does leave Lewis a curious problem though. He has a points deficit to Bottas to recover, and assuming Lewis wins, it's very likely Bottas will come second so it'll take winning the next two races just to draw level. If he has any more misfortune, or worse of all a DNF, it could mean he can only win by the rest of his season being flawless.
But between Mercedes in front, and Hass and Williams at the back, there’s fourteen cars all within a couple of tenths of each other. This year is going to be be about the midfield battles.
You make a good point about the 4th place for Lewis last week - in a short season, getting the big points every week is going to be very important, he could win the next couple of races and still be behind in the championship. Bottas has the best chance he’s ever going to have, to win it this year.
Mr Pointy said:
How many Safety Cars will there be though? It was those that messed up the careful planning last week. I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least two today.
I just hope the Mecedes strategy gets it right this week.
@SandPit Steve summed it up we have a trigger happy race director.. I just hope the Mecedes strategy gets it right this week.
IMo at least one last week could have been the VSC from memory, and the black and white flag serves no purpose when they are dishing out 5 second time penalties for marginal contact and completely ignoring track limits, they should not use the safety car to restart for entertainment, otherwise let’s just have 2 sprint races.
rant over.. cause to be fair last weekend was cracking and this ones sizing up for race of the year.
CoolHands said:
Crashes are exciting I don’t see how anyone can deny that. That doesn’t mean we want people hurt, even in MotoGP etc
Yep thrills and spills are part of F1 and motorsport in general. Like Albion on Lewis last weekend, I was gutted for Albion but it adds to the excitement/controversy/spectacle, no one wants anyone to be hurt but last years German GP farce with them sliding off the track and the Merc pit team in disarray, it made for an entertaining unpredictable GP.
Enormous shunts and crashes where there is a danger to life, no I don't want to see those happening.
Edited by Wills2 on Sunday 12th July 12:07
Deesee said:
Mr Pointy said:
How many Safety Cars will there be though? It was those that messed up the careful planning last week. I wouldn't be surprised if there were at least two today.
I just hope the Mecedes strategy gets it right this week.
@SandPit Steve summed it up we have a trigger happy race director.. I just hope the Mecedes strategy gets it right this week.
IMo at least one last week could have been the VSC from memory, and the black and white flag serves no purpose when they are dishing out 5 second time penalties for marginal contact and completely ignoring track limits, they should not use the safety car to restart for entertainment, otherwise let’s just have 2 sprint races.
rant over.. cause to be fair last weekend was cracking and this ones sizing up for race of the year.
They had Masi on the f1 podcast last. He talks the talk, but by god I struggle to understand the decision making, or see any consistency. One race a quite blatant nerfing someone off track gets you a black & white and cries of "let them race". Another racing incident I've replayed half a dozen times and still struggle to see clear evidence of ill intent or wrong doing by a driver being squeezed, gets a penalty costing several places.
You do have to wonder if the underlying brief is to create drama that keeps fans talking
The FiMs penalty loop - an idea I've rattled on about for years - is a superb option to have on the table, but I expect the Fia takes itself too seriously to poach the idea.
nuttywobbler said:
I’m going for a Bottas victory today, Lewis to retire after crashing into Max on lap one, and Max to retire later on with a blown engine.
I think there is a real chance of Bottas Max contact on the first lap. Bottas wanting to show he is 3.0, with better straight line speed and Max looking forwards not behind him. Graveworm said:
I think there is a real chance of Bottas Max contact on the first lap. Bottas wanting to show he is 3.0 with better straight line speed and and Max looking forwards not behind him.
Always possible, but I rather suspect the Mercedes will be so mich faster in the race that Max won't be able to do anything.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff