Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers
Discussion
Roofless Toothless said:
I said 'many, many years ago' ...
Although they banned direct control of the car from the pits, coaching the drivers how to twiddle the knobs to get the same effect seems like another way of achieving the same thing to me.
The drivers are able to adjust various transmission and chassis settings from within the car. Whether they can change many of them without causing damage is something the driver can't be expect to know, considering the extreme complexity and interplay between the various systems.Although they banned direct control of the car from the pits, coaching the drivers how to twiddle the knobs to get the same effect seems like another way of achieving the same thing to me.
Letting a driver know what he can change isn't coaching the driver, as far as I see it. It's just the engineers letting the driver know what he can change on the car.
It's a million miles away from Uncle Rob Smedley telling Massa what gear to use for various corners after he's already driven around them 10s of times.
Deesee said:
Last two laps with Lando
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1282591846636548097?...
Scenario 7? Renault just might have the best PU on the grid in race mode.. (well for short bursts)..
There was a call to Scenario 8 as well.https://twitter.com/F1/status/1282591846636548097?...
Scenario 7? Renault just might have the best PU on the grid in race mode.. (well for short bursts)..
It's a contrast to Kimi "Leave me alone", that Lando can take in the information drive flat out laps, and battle the other cars at the same time.
ghost83 said:
Deesee said:
Last two laps with Lando
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1282591846636548097?...
Scenario 7? Renault just might have the best PU on the grid in race mode.. (well for short bursts)..
I like lando and I hope he does eventually get a wdc but I hate all the driver coachinghttps://twitter.com/F1/status/1282591846636548097?...
Scenario 7? Renault just might have the best PU on the grid in race mode.. (well for short bursts)..
Pit boards alone would be a good filter. Let the drivers think for themselves
Derek Smith said:
It seems odd that the arguments continue.
If you've followed the sport for the last 15 years you would have seen him develop from a highly skilled and ultra fast driver, but with faults, to the mature chap we see today. Comparisons with other drivers is rather childish I think. All WDCs have had good points and weak points. Listing them and arguing over them is not going to prove who is better - if such a comparison is possible.
I warmed to him when he stuck two fingers up at the bully in charge of the FIA who went in to attack his team. Instead of accepting the immunity offered, as Alonso and PdlR did - although they cheated knowingly - he just stuck by his team subliminally saying they - Dennis I suppose - had done nothing wrong. That was a young driver challenging the darling of the pit lane as well as the boss of his sport.
I follow teams rather than drivers, and when he left McL a lot of my interest in him personally faded, but he has enlightened the sport in the ensuing years. Without him, it would have been a much duller place. So many wtf moments when he's picked a line for an overtake make him compulsive viewing, and so many what the hell is he doing moments have made him one to watch.
F1 would have been a much duller place if he had not been around.
I don't give a damn for this ranking business. Every driver who has succeeded has had advantages - launch control, quicker fuel feed, special aero, and special consideration by those at the top are just some that LH hasn't had - and Hamilton has had his fair share but, without sensible decisions he might well have been another Alonso with all that skill wasted.
Can't we just enjoy his special talent without shoveling him into the ditch of how he compares?
This is a great post, thank you for that.If you've followed the sport for the last 15 years you would have seen him develop from a highly skilled and ultra fast driver, but with faults, to the mature chap we see today. Comparisons with other drivers is rather childish I think. All WDCs have had good points and weak points. Listing them and arguing over them is not going to prove who is better - if such a comparison is possible.
I warmed to him when he stuck two fingers up at the bully in charge of the FIA who went in to attack his team. Instead of accepting the immunity offered, as Alonso and PdlR did - although they cheated knowingly - he just stuck by his team subliminally saying they - Dennis I suppose - had done nothing wrong. That was a young driver challenging the darling of the pit lane as well as the boss of his sport.
I follow teams rather than drivers, and when he left McL a lot of my interest in him personally faded, but he has enlightened the sport in the ensuing years. Without him, it would have been a much duller place. So many wtf moments when he's picked a line for an overtake make him compulsive viewing, and so many what the hell is he doing moments have made him one to watch.
F1 would have been a much duller place if he had not been around.
I don't give a damn for this ranking business. Every driver who has succeeded has had advantages - launch control, quicker fuel feed, special aero, and special consideration by those at the top are just some that LH hasn't had - and Hamilton has had his fair share but, without sensible decisions he might well have been another Alonso with all that skill wasted.
Can't we just enjoy his special talent without shoveling him into the ditch of how he compares?
I do look back at past and think about the great drivers of the past, the legends: Senna, Fangio, Schumacher.
And it hit me just last year, I am living in an era in Britain where we are seeing a legend in creation. I am very proud of Hamilton for what he has achieved in his career. He comes across as a gentleman, an ambassador, a trendy icon (esp in U.S.) and yet he is the finest driver of his era. He matured like fine wine.
He's had to fight for each of his championship without a number two support driver. Most the time, his main competitor is his team mate.
However, although Schumacher was no.1 driver, had the full support of his team and the FIA and F1M, he did have his moments.
He was on another level from all his competitors.
He worked harder on fitness and longer with his engineers than this competitors.
And like Lewis, he had the spare mental capacity in the car to think race strategy due to his natural talent and fitness.
The scene was very different back then. It was a very glamorous time to be a leading F1 driver. The energy to focus in that culture was much harder than now. Now, it is the norm. The Greats always had that capacity to put more of their energy to winning and make more sacrifices socially and with the family - Niki Lauder, Alan Prost, Senna - all the same level of focus. They are all Greats!
ash73 said:
He went to Merc because he couldn't get a seat at RBR, ironically.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-motor-racing-ha...
Hmm not sure how accurate that. I seem to recall a man who did not bother to lie (well, once he retired!) explaining that he convinced Lewis to join Merc by visiting him and his mother.....https://www.reuters.com/article/us-motor-racing-ha...
Jasandjules said:
Hmm not sure how accurate that. I seem to recall a man who did not bother to lie (well, once he retired!) explaining that he convinced Lewis to join Merc by visiting him and his mother.....
It was a combination from all that I have read... Ross from a strategy/investment perspective. Niki and Michael from a racer to racer perspective?Munter said:
Deesee said:
Last two laps with Lando
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1282591846636548097?...
Scenario 7? Renault just might have the best PU on the grid in race mode.. (well for short bursts)..
There was a call to Scenario 8 as well.https://twitter.com/F1/status/1282591846636548097?...
Scenario 7? Renault just might have the best PU on the grid in race mode.. (well for short bursts)..
It's a contrast to Kimi "Leave me alone", that Lando can take in the information drive flat out laps, and battle the other cars at the same time.
The best jockeys tend to get he best rides, and Lando can take in the information from the horse and deliver flawlessly..
Max Verstappen's pit stop was lightning fast
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63121/red-bull-raci...
Faster than last week, so the Red Bull pit crew must have spent some good time practicing...
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63121/red-bull-raci...
Faster than last week, so the Red Bull pit crew must have spent some good time practicing...
glazbagun said:
They allowed it in 2016(17?) as it was proving too hard to police.
Quite the oposite, policing was easy, the cars are far too complex not to have engineers input. The farce in Baku was the last straw, where Lewis was in a mode that wouldn't let him race. The suits realised what a stupid idea it was and dropped it mid season.Jasandjules said:
Hmm not sure how accurate that. I seem to recall a man who did not bother to lie (well, once he retired!) explaining that he convinced Lewis to join Merc by visiting him and his mother.....
Lewis has always been contracted to Mercedes. They paid his wages at McLaren and in junior category.It would have been odd for him not to sign for Mercedes once they had their own team with the correct winning desire.
Derek Smith said:
Fortitude said:
Ferrari Emergency Updates
The latest reports are quite 'tame' at the moment;
Vettel, Leclerc out after Ferrari’s first-lap tangle
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/07/12/vettel-l...
Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc crash on opening lap as Ferrari’s poor start to the season gets worse
The two teammates collided at Turn Three, an incident that eventually forced both men to retire from the race
https://inews.co.uk/sport/formula-one/sebastian-ve...
Nightmare start for Ferrari as cars crash on opening lap, both retire
https://www.france24.com/en/20200712-nightmare-sta...
Everyone is mild, even when they are furious, compared to the Italian press.Derek Smith said:
The Italian press will say something similar:
Binotto: Your performance 'not good enough for a team named Ferrari'
Maybe that will come, perhaps with the sack...Binotto: Your performance 'not good enough for a team named Ferrari'
The latest reports are quite 'tame' at the moment;
Vettel, Leclerc out after Ferrari’s first-lap tangle
https://www.motorsportweek.com/2020/07/12/vettel-l...
Sebastian Vettel and Charles Leclerc crash on opening lap as Ferrari’s poor start to the season gets worse
The two teammates collided at Turn Three, an incident that eventually forced both men to retire from the race
https://inews.co.uk/sport/formula-one/sebastian-ve...
Nightmare start for Ferrari as cars crash on opening lap, both retire
https://www.france24.com/en/20200712-nightmare-sta...
“No car, no philosophy, no drivers” – Ferrari face ‘intense’ scrutiny from Italian press Ferrari face 'intense' scrutiny from Italian press
Tuttosport
“That’s what we counted down to the season, and Ferrari has already lost. No car, no philosophy, no drivers: Vettel is completely confused after his contract situation and Leclerc thinks he’s still driving in virtual races online. This is the darkness.”
La Gazzetta dello Sport
“The Ferrari nightmare – SF1000 has no future. ‘Murphy’s Law’ will soon be called ‘Ferrari Law’. If there’s a chance that something is going to go wrong, it will. Yesterday we had a remake of what happened in Brazil, and Leclerc left the curtain.”
http://scuderiafans.com/no-car-no-philosophy-no-dr...
How did the Italian press react to the Ferrari disaster in Spain?
"Stepping on their own tails" was the phrase Martin Brundle used to describe Ferrari's Spanish Grand Prix. But the Italian media, who are always critical of Ferrari, responded with much more dissatisfaction and frustration with the performance.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/36976/how-did-the-i...
jsf said:
Having seen so many overtakes and attempts at overtakes in the last GP at the turn Albon and Hamilton clashed, has that changed your opinion of the penalty?
I thought from the start it wasn't warranted, its now a slam dunk no penalty now.
I couldn't reconcile it as it wasn't Hamilton moving into Albon. Or put it in a different way, if there had been any driver in Hamilton's position, what should they have done differently (bearing in mind they were in a stronger position to exit the corner?)? The penalty given to Hamilton had the effect that the car on the inside would have to concede to the one on the outside of that corner, even if at that point the outside car were not ahead. That seems perverse. Or put it slightly differently; if Hamilton was a penalty, why wasn't Verstappen at T3 last year?I thought from the start it wasn't warranted, its now a slam dunk no penalty now.
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