Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers

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ajprice

27,490 posts

196 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Other than Mercedes, it looks pretty close so far between the teams, with a midfield group for the other points and a tail end group going after points if and when they can.

Mercedes
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Red Bull
Ferrari
Racing Point
McLaren
Renault
...
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
HAAS
Williams

SpudLink

5,796 posts

192 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Stay in Bed Instead said:
Megaflow said:
They are not going to use those until 2022.
Okay ta, I thought the F2 commentary said next year.
They did say next year, but 2021 changes have been postponed. Think that was a commentators slip up.

TheDeuce

21,576 posts

66 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Whilst we can be fairly certain none of the top 3 (maybe 5!?) teams have shown their full hand just yet - it's worth noting that Mercedes were a a crushing half second+ ahead of their competitors - and on a short track. That is some serious pace to have right off the bat.

There is a lot of uncertainty after today but I'm fairly confident this year is going to be another double title for the black arrows.

vaud

50,519 posts

155 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Just watching the Youtube highlights.

The Merc looks much better in black. Like it...

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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kambites said:
So still no real indication of what the Redbull car do.
Looked good spinning.. no grip, bigger wings tomorrow required, might not make Q3.

Bright Halo

2,969 posts

235 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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The worrying thing is I think the Mercs are still sandbagging.

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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The protest is in..

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Bright Halo said:
The worrying thing is I think the Mercs are still sandbagging.
Comfortably, Perez race sims where quicker than Bottas...


kambites

67,576 posts

221 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Deesee said:
The protest is in..
At least it's gone in before the race then. The cynical part of me thiught they'd wait to see the result before protesting.

Mercedes now at least have the option to just not run it this weekend until the clarification has been given. They're probably miles ahead without it anyway.

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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kambites said:
Deesee said:
The protest is in..
At least it's gone in before the race then. The cynical part of me thiught they'd wait to see the result before protesting.

Mercedes now at least have the option to just not run it this weekend until the clarification has been given. They're probably miles ahead without it anyway.
Think of the weight saving without it.. and the ballast in the middle of the car on the floor.. I’m not sure we know the real reason for it, other than perhaps a red herring.


Jasandjules

69,910 posts

229 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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kambites said:
At least it's gone in before the race then. The cynical part of me thiught they'd wait to see the result before protesting.

Mercedes now at least have the option to just not run it this weekend until the clarification has been given. They're probably miles ahead without it anyway.
BUT, could they, with the reduced size of the team, actually get the kit off both cars by tomorrow?

kambites

67,576 posts

221 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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I bet it has a simple mechanism built in to lock it in place should it prove necessary. It'd only take an appropriate hole and a pin. smile

TheDeuce

21,576 posts

66 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Deesee said:
Think of the weight saving without it.. and the ballast in the middle of the car on the floor.. I’m not sure we know the real reason for it, other than perhaps a red herring.
I still think the true (or at least main) benefit is removing toe on the straights - it's only going to give a TINY speed increase but a fairly significant reduction in tyre scrubbing. I appreciate the concern about weight but if they can extend the tyre life, that brings race altering benefits.

In addition to the opposite option of using the system to increase tyre scrub and heat when required.

Surely it's an accepted fact that toe angle in motorsport is always a compromise, and this system removes that compromise..

Oilchange

8,462 posts

260 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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I cant work out what you guys are talking about???

Clockwork Cupcake

74,578 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
I still think the true (or at least main) benefit is removing toe on the straights - it's only going to give a TINY speed increase but a fairly significant reduction in tyre scrubbing. I appreciate the concern about weight but if they can extend the tyre life, that brings race altering benefits.

In addition to the opposite option of using the system to increase tyre scrub and heat when required.

Surely it's an accepted fact that toe angle in motorsport is always a compromise, and this system removes that compromise..
Exactly so. That's my understanding of the system too. yes


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Friday 3rd July 18:46

ajprice

27,490 posts

196 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Oilchange said:
I cant work out what you guys are talking about???
Mercedes DAS

Oilchange

8,462 posts

260 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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ajprice said:
Mercedes DAS
Thanks, that was it

Deesee

8,421 posts

83 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
I still think the true (or at least main) benefit is removing toe on the straights - it's only going to give a TINY speed increase but a fairly significant reduction in tyre scrubbing. I appreciate the concern about weight but if they can extend the tyre life, that brings race altering benefits.

In addition to the opposite option of using the system to increase tyre scrub and heat when required.

Surely it's an accepted fact that toe angle in motorsport is always a compromise, and this system removes that compromise..
To be fair I think that’s the general assumption, and I’m sure you did a pretty conclusive summary in the testing thread.

However when Chandock asked Davidson (Merc Sim driver) If that was what DAS does today, I got a different impression by Ant Davidson’s reaction.. the smirk and silence..

Valtteri was using it in the turns today, which we did not see in testing, which could help with temps.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,578 posts

272 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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Deesee said:
To be fair I think that’s the general assumption, and I’m sure you did a pretty conclusive summary in the testing thread.

However when Chandock asked Davidson (Merc Sim driver) If that was what DAS does today, I got a different impression by Ant Davidson’s reaction.. the smirk and silence..
Interesting. Well, I guess we will find out in due course as they have to use it in anger eventually.

vulture1

12,220 posts

179 months

Friday 3rd July 2020
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ajprice said:
Other than Mercedes, it looks pretty close so far between the teams, with a midfield group for the other points and a tail end group going after points if and when they can.

Mercedes
...
Red Bull
Ferrari
Racing Point
McLaren
Renault
...
Alpha Tauri
Alfa Romeo
HAAS
Williams
Here was my prediction from Australia

slipstream 1985 said:
my early prediction

1. mercedes
2. red bull

3. ferrari
4. tracing point

5. mclaren

6. renault
7. alpha tauri
8. alfa romeo

9. haas
10.williams

Gaps represent who they will likely be closest to.
link here for proof lol https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...