Official 2020 Austrian & Styrian Grand Prix Thread *Spoilers
Discussion
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
'twas ever thus at RB. Must be a thankless task being the lead driver's +1 with nothing but the occasional spittled contempt from the bosses for not managing to drag your inferior equipment and support around the circuit faster than the number 1.
(What was your former posting name)?
I kind of recognise the posting style?!?
Edited by Deesee on Saturday 4th July 22:17
RichB said:
Deesee said:
RichB said:
Deesee said:
Like Alonso wasted his best yrs at Ferrari, Red Bull drive would be good for him, perhaps they can fix it for silverstone.
What and boot out Verstappen? 
getting paranoid on my Max/Red Bull bashing!!
Ferrari's new car in race 3 had better be a big step up, the Italian media will be sharpening the knives already. How much of the 2020 Ferrari (rear end, gearbox, suspension) is shared with Alfa Romeo? Russell and Haas being ahead of them isn't too good either.
How close it is behind Mercedes is great for the season between Red Bull, Racing Point, McLaren, Renault and Ferrari. If any team has a bad time at a race it's very possible to be outside the top 10 and be out in Q2 on a Saturday or get no points on a Sunday.
I'm still putting Alfa, Alpha, Haas and Williams as the 3rd group.
Hopefully Ocon and Latifi can find their feet at Renault and Williams, and don't leave Ricciardo and Russell as one man teams.
How close it is behind Mercedes is great for the season between Red Bull, Racing Point, McLaren, Renault and Ferrari. If any team has a bad time at a race it's very possible to be outside the top 10 and be out in Q2 on a Saturday or get no points on a Sunday.
I'm still putting Alfa, Alpha, Haas and Williams as the 3rd group.
Hopefully Ocon and Latifi can find their feet at Renault and Williams, and don't leave Ricciardo and Russell as one man teams.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
'twas ever thus at RB. Must be a thankless task being the lead driver's +1 with nothing but the occasional spittled contempt from the bosses for not managing to drag your inferior equipment and support around the circuit faster than the number 1.
Indeed, I'm sure Albon is thrilled to be in F1 but what a terrible seat to be in. For a team with a young driver programme it's somewhat ironic that there is not a worse team for a young driver to be in. I can't believe some people still think Ricciardo left purely for financial reasons.George Russell is undoubtedly in a better long term position despite having to spend half of every race moving out of the way of cars lapping him.
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
As ever, the teams at the top have an A/B driver line up (let's not pretend Bottas is level with Hamilton), leaving a top driver just 3 drives on the grid with a chance of winning. If you're leaving one of those top seats, it means there are only two. Max and Hamilton aren't going anywhere, which leaves none.
If Vettel isn't done, he either has to usurp Hamilton, persuade Mercedes to take him on as well as Hamilton, or find a team that is realistically expecting to join the top table in '22, by which time, will Vettel really be the person you hire in '21 to lead it for the immediate foreseeable and into the new regs era?
Suppose there is an outside chance Red Bull could tire of Albon being 3 tenths off Max every weekend and realise they don't want either of their Alpha Tauri rejects back in the box seat. It'd risk really upsetting the apple cart with the golden child, though.
McLaren seems like the only team to me that 'might' be on the up without the driver line up that would prevent Vettel joining. Merc & RB neither need him or have No1 drivers that would put up with him.If Vettel isn't done, he either has to usurp Hamilton, persuade Mercedes to take him on as well as Hamilton, or find a team that is realistically expecting to join the top table in '22, by which time, will Vettel really be the person you hire in '21 to lead it for the immediate foreseeable and into the new regs era?
Suppose there is an outside chance Red Bull could tire of Albon being 3 tenths off Max every weekend and realise they don't want either of their Alpha Tauri rejects back in the box seat. It'd risk really upsetting the apple cart with the golden child, though.
Leithen said:
ajprice said:
Ferrari's new car in race 3 had better be a big step up, the Italian media will be sharpening the knives already.
I suspect the axe being sharpened by Elkann will be more worrying. .Is the problem at Ferrari the chassis or the PU (or both)? The drivers don't seem to be complaining too hard about the chassis balance, rather it's just not quick enough. The new infographics suggested the Ferrari isn't to shabby in the corners.
Could it be that the cheating deal struck has totally hobbled the Ferrari PU? I could imagine a large proportion of their development over the past year or more has been around the naughty concept. Remove the naughty concept, and you've lost the benefit of all that development effort. The others have put their development time into legal solutions, so get to keep the benefit of it. That would leave Ferrari with a PU well behind the others, and frozen for the rest of this season (I imagine subject to the usual reliability/safety exemptions).
If the above were true, Ferrari could bring a whole new chassis to Budapest, and a lame PU would still keep it well back.
Could it be that the cheating deal struck has totally hobbled the Ferrari PU? I could imagine a large proportion of their development over the past year or more has been around the naughty concept. Remove the naughty concept, and you've lost the benefit of all that development effort. The others have put their development time into legal solutions, so get to keep the benefit of it. That would leave Ferrari with a PU well behind the others, and frozen for the rest of this season (I imagine subject to the usual reliability/safety exemptions).
If the above were true, Ferrari could bring a whole new chassis to Budapest, and a lame PU would still keep it well back.
ajprice said:
Leithen said:
ajprice said:
Ferrari's new car in race 3 had better be a big step up, the Italian media will be sharpening the knives already.
I suspect the axe being sharpened by Elkann will be more worrying. .ajprice said:
Leithen said:
ajprice said:
Ferrari's new car in race 3 had better be a big step up, the Italian media will be sharpening the knives already.
I suspect the axe being sharpened by Elkann will be more worrying. .RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Is the problem at Ferrari the chassis or the PU (or both)? The drivers don't seem to be complaining too hard about the chassis balance, rather it's just not quick enough. The new infographics suggested the Ferrari isn't to shabby in the corners.
Could it be that the cheating deal struck has totally hobbled the Ferrari PU? I could imagine a large proportion of their development over the past year or more has been around the naughty concept. Remove the naughty concept, and you've lost the benefit of all that development effort. The others have put their development time into legal solutions, so get to keep the benefit of it. That would leave Ferrari with a PU well behind the others, and frozen for the rest of this season (I imagine subject to the usual reliability/safety exemptions).
If the above were true, Ferrari could bring a whole new chassis to Budapest, and a lame PU would still keep it well back.
Unless they are compensating for the poor chassis with extra downforceCould it be that the cheating deal struck has totally hobbled the Ferrari PU? I could imagine a large proportion of their development over the past year or more has been around the naughty concept. Remove the naughty concept, and you've lost the benefit of all that development effort. The others have put their development time into legal solutions, so get to keep the benefit of it. That would leave Ferrari with a PU well behind the others, and frozen for the rest of this season (I imagine subject to the usual reliability/safety exemptions).
If the above were true, Ferrari could bring a whole new chassis to Budapest, and a lame PU would still keep it well back.
ajprice said:
Deesee said:
Just watch out for the personal/legal wiki pages of Lapo Elkann (the wide eyed one often screaming at the fom cameraman)..
I originally searched John Elkann and wasn't sure what the fuss was. Now I've searched Lapo Elkann and... yeah! Gary C said:
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
Is the problem at Ferrari the chassis or the PU (or both)? The drivers don't seem to be complaining too hard about the chassis balance, rather it's just not quick enough. The new infographics suggested the Ferrari isn't to shabby in the corners.
Could it be that the cheating deal struck has totally hobbled the Ferrari PU? I could imagine a large proportion of their development over the past year or more has been around the naughty concept. Remove the naughty concept, and you've lost the benefit of all that development effort. The others have put their development time into legal solutions, so get to keep the benefit of it. That would leave Ferrari with a PU well behind the others, and frozen for the rest of this season (I imagine subject to the usual reliability/safety exemptions).
If the above were true, Ferrari could bring a whole new chassis to Budapest, and a lame PU would still keep it well back.
Unless they are compensating for the poor chassis with extra downforceCould it be that the cheating deal struck has totally hobbled the Ferrari PU? I could imagine a large proportion of their development over the past year or more has been around the naughty concept. Remove the naughty concept, and you've lost the benefit of all that development effort. The others have put their development time into legal solutions, so get to keep the benefit of it. That would leave Ferrari with a PU well behind the others, and frozen for the rest of this season (I imagine subject to the usual reliability/safety exemptions).
If the above were true, Ferrari could bring a whole new chassis to Budapest, and a lame PU would still keep it well back.
It would not be surprising if Ferrari have had to redesign the PU, especially the MGU H.
No ‘normal’ fuel flow for them now, they could be like Honda 3/4 yrs ago in development terms.
Limited bench testing now & only one fuel upgrade per yr.
Yes the chassis and aero design would have been based on last yrs PU (projected), they have added down force ( & therefore drag).
Linky p1 2019 vs P7 2020
https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/12794977095...
No more ‘jet’ acceleration..
No ‘normal’ fuel flow for them now, they could be like Honda 3/4 yrs ago in development terms.
Limited bench testing now & only one fuel upgrade per yr.
Yes the chassis and aero design would have been based on last yrs PU (projected), they have added down force ( & therefore drag).
Linky p1 2019 vs P7 2020
https://twitter.com/SkySportsF1/status/12794977095...
No more ‘jet’ acceleration..
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