Black Mercedes.

Black Mercedes.

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rscott

14,762 posts

192 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't forget *** sponsor is on the overalls. They had links to another company who, 100 years ago, had links to another company who's supplier's bank's CEO had shares in another company who promoted slavery.
Well you'd have to look hard to find a company that used more slave labour than Mercedes in the 1940s.
Something they readily acknowledge. They helped fund the EVZ - https://www.stiftung-evz.de/eng/funding/commitment... .

angrymoby

2,613 posts

179 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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i don't get the negative comments on this thread, what exactly are you hoping to achieve?

no one is forcing you to get onboard with the BLM movement either politically or morally, Merc have already made their decision & afiaa none of you have the ear of anyone influential

If you're that bothered, either don't support the Mercs this weekend or don't buy a Merc in the future

because white folk trying to stop other white folk supporting non white folk, looks as ridiculous as it sounds

Nampahc Niloc

910 posts

79 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).

All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?



No mention of the white victims killed by Police.

Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
Have you looked at the data. Only 13% of Americans are black but make are 27% of those shot (excluding the unknowns).

TheDeuce

Original Poster:

21,669 posts

67 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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angrymoby said:
i don't get the negative comments on this thread, what exactly are you hoping to achieve?

no one is forcing you to get onboard with the BLM movement either politically or morally, Merc have already made their decision & afiaa none of you have the ear of anyone influential

If you're that bothered, either don't support the Mercs this weekend or don't buy a Merc in the future

because white folk trying to stop other white folk supporting non white folk, looks as ridiculous as it sounds
Mercedes aren't on-board with BLM either. That little mis-assumption is behind about half of the posts on this thread.

Bo_apex

2,567 posts

219 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Bo_apex said:
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?



No mention of the white victims killed by Police.

Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
Those stats bear no relevance on what is being protested against. It's not about how many of which ethnicity get themselves into activities where they are at risk of the police opening fire upon them... It's about the hidden % of each that are harmed/killed/mistreated in some way due to their skin colour.

Good luck finding THOSE statistics. It's the police that write the reports after each incident, after all. And there is often no footage to show if the treatment was truly reasonable or not.
Should we banish all data then ?
The media is portraying Police killings as a black thing.
On my first trip to LA I discovered first hand just how forceful the Police are. The suspects were white and they would have received a lighter kicking at a Millwall match, before being bundled into the truck.

British police are gentlemen by comparison.

ch37

10,642 posts

222 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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TwentyFive said:
I completely understand the disability logic but why should someone be guaranteed an interview simply due to their heritage?? Its bizarre. That is not equality of opportunity so much as positive discrimination.
Because it's been proven, over and over again, that unconscious bias exists and negatively impacts people of BAME backgrounds. If, statistically, certain groups are less likely to be shortlisted despite having similar quals/experience as others, guaranteeing an interview at least removes one of those steps where unconscious bias can form a barrier to entry.

It goes much, much deeper than that, but it's a small practical step that can be taken to at least try and balance things out a little.

Bo_apex

2,567 posts

219 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Nampahc Niloc said:
Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).

All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?



No mention of the white victims killed by Police.

Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
Have you looked at the data. Only 13% of Americans are black but make are 27% of those shot (excluding the unknowns).
The Unknowns is curious !

IforB

9,840 posts

230 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).

All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?



No mention of the white victims killed by Police.

Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
Makes you wonder if you have any idea what the real issue is...

PanicBuyingBogRoll

1,936 posts

63 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
PanicBuyingBogRoll said:
Triggered in 3.....2.....1......

Waiting for
It's gone to far now.
Why isn't Bottas wearing a white suit?
Just concentrate on the racing.





Edited by PanicBuyingBogRoll on Thursday 2nd July 09:30
I just showed this to my wife to get her opinion, she says that actually Bottas looks very happy with his new race suit rolleyes

Lewis might be too - but he's chosen to cover it up.
The picture is a photo shop. The picture of Bottas is exactly the same as the press pictures of the previous suit. So he can't have been very happy with that one either

Bo_apex

2,567 posts

219 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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IforB said:
Bo_apex said:
thiscocks said:
Well then I'd question what on earth has black crime in America got to do with Formula 1? Regarding the supposed racism in Formula one in not hiring enough minorities, that is another unquantifiable narrative influenced by the general BLM attitudes. As far as I am aware, if you are black or from an ethnic minority then the colour of your skin won't hinder you one bit. In this day and age it will most likely help you. (see previous posts about most companies wanting more 'diverse' work forces).

All Mercedes are doing is pandering to Hamilton's awfully boresome bandwagon jumping and to this pointless woke agenda in a pathetically shallow way. It's helping no one.
Makes you wonder if Hamilton or Mercedes have even looked at the data ?



No mention of the white victims killed by Police.

Afterall, Hamilton is half white.
Makes you wonder if you have any idea what the real issue is...
In my industry we are open to all talent.
The BBC for instance reached 15% of its employees from BAME a couple of years ago and is on target to achieve 20% soon.
It has also deployed numerous initiatives where only BAME candidates can apply.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/670266/BBC-adver...

Britain has come a long way from just Trevor McDonald and Lenny Henry.

Other countries would do well to look and learn.


Muzzer79

10,031 posts

188 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Don't forget *** sponsor is on the overalls. They had links to another company who, 100 years ago, had links to another company who's supplier's bank's CEO had shares in another company who promoted slavery.
Well you'd have to look hard to find a company that used more slave labour than Mercedes in the 1940s.
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes

Piginapoke

4,768 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce, rather than worrying about what colour the cars are

angrymoby

2,613 posts

179 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Piginapoke said:
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce, rather than worrying about what colour the cars are
maybe you should read the article in post #1

TheDeuce

Original Poster:

21,669 posts

67 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
quotequote all
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce, rather than worrying about what colour the cars are
That is literally why they have setup their new initiative, to address exactly that. The black car is just symbolism to raise awareness. To increase discussion and thought about the issues - hence this thread being the busiest on the forum, despite being less than 24 hours away from F1 cars actually hitting the track after a 4 month break!

ajprice

27,507 posts

197 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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angrymoby said:
Piginapoke said:
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce, rather than worrying about what colour the cars are
maybe you should read the article in post #1
hehe

Piginapoke

4,768 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce, rather than worrying about what colour the cars are
That is literally why they have setup their new initiative, to address exactly that. The black car is just symbolism to raise awareness. To increase discussion and thought about the issues - hence this thread being the busiest on the forum, despite being less than 24 hours away from F1 cars actually hitting the track after a 4 month break!
Moral grandstanding to sell more cars.

Muzzer79

10,031 posts

188 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce
That's literally what they are doing and they acknowledge it in the press rele........actually, you know what? I can't be arsed.

People are either trolling or there's only so much obtuseness I can handle in a day.


Piginapoke

4,768 posts

186 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
quotequote all
Muzzer79 said:
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce
That's literally what they are doing and they acknowledge it in the press rele........actually, you know what? I can't be arsed.

People are either trolling or there's only so much obtuseness I can handle in a day.
I don't think you are the brightest bunny in the hutch.


TheDeuce

Original Poster:

21,669 posts

67 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
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Piginapoke said:
TheDeuce said:
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce, rather than worrying about what colour the cars are
That is literally why they have setup their new initiative, to address exactly that. The black car is just symbolism to raise awareness. To increase discussion and thought about the issues - hence this thread being the busiest on the forum, despite being less than 24 hours away from F1 cars actually hitting the track after a 4 month break!
Moral grandstanding to sell more cars.
good. business and morals in one fell swoop. Ideal.

Muzzer79

10,031 posts

188 months

Thursday 2nd July 2020
quotequote all
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Piginapoke said:
Muzzer79 said:
Of course - Mercedes' sketchy history.

OK, let's write a collective PH letter to Mercedes, telling them that they shouldn't be trying to help raise awareness of racism and promote equality because 80 years ago they used slave labour.

Instead, let's tell them they should do nothing. Not try and help the cause at all, because they jolly well have no right to. They can keep their money and their influence and use it for other things which they are allowed to support.

Honestly.....rolleyes
Maybe Merc should start addressing its 3% BAME workforce
That's literally what they are doing and they acknowledge it in the press rele........actually, you know what? I can't be arsed.

People are either trolling or there's only so much obtuseness I can handle in a day.
I don't think you are the brightest bunny in the hutch.
I don't think you know what a hutch is.....