Official 2020 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ** SPOILERS**
Discussion
Derek Smith said:
No, it doesn't do anything of the kind.
The race was a good one in the sense that there was a lot of racing going on, with some fun bits. The Leclerk/Norris lap was, to say the least, lively. There were battles going on almost all the time. Follow it on live timing and you can get some way to watching it from the stands.
Hamilton shot off into the distance and ran in cruise mode. That was great for us because it meant that the director concentrated the feed at other parts of the field.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. We've had three races which have been interesting and, at times, exciting.
That people are arguing over a bit of tape probably says a lot about the posters. Whether an action, or inaction, is within the regulations or not is entirely within the remit of the sport itself. If the regulators say it is OK, it's OK. The points raised are interesting and worth reading, but they don't change the regulators' decision. These discussion are something to fill the gap between races and should not have winners or losers. They are a way of maintaining interest in the sport.
Quite right, agree with all of that. The tape thing was potentially mildly interesting in between races - same every other sports forum in the world, minutia tends to get discussed on between actual events. In the end, I'' admit the tape thing really was pretty dull but hey ho!The race was a good one in the sense that there was a lot of racing going on, with some fun bits. The Leclerk/Norris lap was, to say the least, lively. There were battles going on almost all the time. Follow it on live timing and you can get some way to watching it from the stands.
Hamilton shot off into the distance and ran in cruise mode. That was great for us because it meant that the director concentrated the feed at other parts of the field.
I thoroughly enjoyed it. We've had three races which have been interesting and, at times, exciting.
That people are arguing over a bit of tape probably says a lot about the posters. Whether an action, or inaction, is within the regulations or not is entirely within the remit of the sport itself. If the regulators say it is OK, it's OK. The points raised are interesting and worth reading, but they don't change the regulators' decision. These discussion are something to fill the gap between races and should not have winners or losers. They are a way of maintaining interest in the sport.
Yes the three races so far have been exciting, interesting, varied. This is season was unusual even before it got going for obvious reasons, and it's remained unusual and interesting too. The Hungarian GP was a classically good race on the basis it was full of racing - quite an achievement at a circuit of which it is typically said; 'it's nearly impossible to overtake there'.
The only car that didn't get involved in any action was of course Lewis who understandably drove off in to the distance - what else would we desire him to do!? But even then by pitting to take the fastest lap, he took a slight risk in return for a better points result - which in my view is valid 'racing'. It also reinforces just how much every point really matters this season if he is to take that 7th title. It could so easily go to Bottas instead if luck/circumstance are involved. Lewis is under pressure every step of the way - even of some viewers can't appreciate that.
You have to maximize what you can get every weekend, Lewis was head and shoulders clear this weekend but that wasn't the case for the first race.
They all know know one bad weekend can make the difference when you don't have 21 others to make up for it.
Lewis also knows that arguably reliability cost him the 2016 championship so when he can protect the car he will do.
They all know know one bad weekend can make the difference when you don't have 21 others to make up for it.
Lewis also knows that arguably reliability cost him the 2016 championship so when he can protect the car he will do.
TheDeuce said:
Quite right, agree with all of that. The tape thing was potentially mildly interesting in between races - same every other sports forum in the world, minutia tends to get discussed on between actual events. In the end, I'' admit the tape thing really was pretty dull but hey ho!
Yes the three races so far have been exciting, interesting, varied. This is season was unusual even before it got going for obvious reasons, and it's remained unusual and interesting too. The Hungarian GP was a classically good race on the basis it was full of racing - quite an achievement at a circuit of which it is typically said; 'it's nearly impossible to overtake there'.
The only car that didn't get involved in any action was of course Lewis who understandably drove off in to the distance - what else would we desire him to do!? But even then by pitting to take the fastest lap, he took a slight risk in return for a better points result - which in my view is valid 'racing'. It also reinforces just how much every point really matters this season if he is to take that 7th title. It could so easily go to Bottas instead if luck/circumstance are involved. Lewis is under pressure every step of the way - even of some viewers can't appreciate that.
I would imagine that at the back of Hamilton's mind is the engine blowup which, arguably, ruined his chances of his WDC.Yes the three races so far have been exciting, interesting, varied. This is season was unusual even before it got going for obvious reasons, and it's remained unusual and interesting too. The Hungarian GP was a classically good race on the basis it was full of racing - quite an achievement at a circuit of which it is typically said; 'it's nearly impossible to overtake there'.
The only car that didn't get involved in any action was of course Lewis who understandably drove off in to the distance - what else would we desire him to do!? But even then by pitting to take the fastest lap, he took a slight risk in return for a better points result - which in my view is valid 'racing'. It also reinforces just how much every point really matters this season if he is to take that 7th title. It could so easily go to Bottas instead if luck/circumstance are involved. Lewis is under pressure every step of the way - even of some viewers can't appreciate that.
Rereading my post, I think best to say that I didn't mean to be critical. These arguments/discussions/statements are what keeps me going between races. There's no Goodwood, Silverstone and no quick trip up to Brooklands to keep interest going.
One point which started quite an argument with friends was whether the regulations should be followed to the letter. My feeling is that clearly they are not, and I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing as F1 is about entertainment for us, advertising for the team managers and manufacturers, and it's only the drivers who are really in it to get as far up the leaderboard as possible. It's not as if even criminal law is applied without discretion.
I agreed with the stewards in Canada that Vettel's venture back onto the track was a breach of the regulations. Whether it should have been punished is another matter. I feel certain that Hamilton's point of view differs from Vettel's and if memory serves there was considerable argument after the incident on here.
BrettMRC said:
Exactly - good natured debate over perspectives is what makes us enthusiasts.
....how many days now until silverstone?
Quite right!....how many days now until silverstone?
And yes, FP1 at Silverstone in just 8 days time, which also marks the start of another triple header
Then a week off again... and yet another triple header
Now we finally have a season I'm enjoying the quickfire races and the first double GP at one circuit was excellent - both races could hardly have been more different. Even when/if the virus is no longer a factor, I wonder if F1 calendars will ever go back to 'normal', it might be that we don't wish them to..
If the tape did/does nothing then why go to the trouble of adding it when you are seriously pushed for time, why didn't the damaged pushrod have tape on it, why didn't the right hand one have tape on it, did they not have any identical pushrods as spares, was the replacement pushrod different in that particular area that they decided to mask it?
Yes in a way I agree its just an innocent bit of tape.....but! Anyone who follows F1 in detail knows nothing is on the car for show or to make it look nice, every part on the car is on it to make it go faster, what that tape was meant to be doing I don't know, its hard to imagine how it improves the car so then why waste time putting it on and why didn't the old one or the other side have it on so I can only assume they were covering a difference up
Yes in a way I agree its just an innocent bit of tape.....but! Anyone who follows F1 in detail knows nothing is on the car for show or to make it look nice, every part on the car is on it to make it go faster, what that tape was meant to be doing I don't know, its hard to imagine how it improves the car so then why waste time putting it on and why didn't the old one or the other side have it on so I can only assume they were covering a difference up
TheDeuce said:
Quite right!
And yes, FP1 at Silverstone in just 8 days time, which also marks the start of another triple header
Then a week off again... and yet another triple header
Now we finally have a season I'm enjoying the quickfire races and the first double GP at one circuit was excellent - both races could hardly have been more different. Even when/if the virus is no longer a factor, I wonder if F1 calendars will ever go back to 'normal', it might be that we don't wish them to..
The two Red Bowl Ring races were hardly repetitive, were they? The fear that they might be was of concern, but that proved you needn't worry until after the event. I too love the short time between races but, as you suggest, it's unlikely to continue into next season. Shame.And yes, FP1 at Silverstone in just 8 days time, which also marks the start of another triple header
Then a week off again... and yet another triple header
Now we finally have a season I'm enjoying the quickfire races and the first double GP at one circuit was excellent - both races could hardly have been more different. Even when/if the virus is no longer a factor, I wonder if F1 calendars will ever go back to 'normal', it might be that we don't wish them to..
Doink said:
If the tape did/does nothing then why go to the trouble of adding it when you are seriously pushed for time, why didn't the damaged pushrod have tape on it, why didn't the right hand one have tape on it, did they not have any identical pushrods as spares, was the replacement pushrod different in that particular area that they decided to mask it?
Yes in a way I agree its just an innocent bit of tape.....but! Anyone who follows F1 in detail knows nothing is on the car for show or to make it look nice, every part on the car is on it to make it go faster, what that tape was meant to be doing I don't know, its hard to imagine how it improves the car so then why waste time putting it on and why didn't the old one or the other side have it on so I can only assume they were covering a difference up
The other side did have tape on too. As did the original damaged side - so I think they were rushing to get the tape on in order to make parts the same.. Max said he could hear them worrying about the tape sticking, so I assume they put an extra wrap on to ensure it did - hence there being slightly more tape on one than the other.Yes in a way I agree its just an innocent bit of tape.....but! Anyone who follows F1 in detail knows nothing is on the car for show or to make it look nice, every part on the car is on it to make it go faster, what that tape was meant to be doing I don't know, its hard to imagine how it improves the car so then why waste time putting it on and why didn't the old one or the other side have it on so I can only assume they were covering a difference up
As for why there is a desire to put any tape on in the first place...? Not a clue.
uptheraidillon said:
andburg said:
uptheraidillon said:
So using the body for downforce didn't end with ground effect bans?
I would have thought there would be a greater benefit with a lower rear ride height overall, but apparently not
Merc and Racing point would say not running at high rake is betterI would have thought there would be a greater benefit with a lower rear ride height overall, but apparently not
Edited by uptheraidillon on Tuesday 21st July 08:28
https://www.racefans.net/2020/07/23/bottas-keen-to...
Surely Mercedes F1 wouldn't read these comments?! Some F1 fan prattling on.
Truth be told, it's a guess without wind tunnel data or CFD.
Edited by uptheraidillon on Thursday 23 July 11:56
Interesting analysis by Jolyon Palmer as to why VER was pushing so hard on his lap to the grid
Also a bit about Haas pitstop penalty
TL:DR - he was trying to sync the gears to enable quick-shift
Also a bit about Haas pitstop penalty
TL:DR - he was trying to sync the gears to enable quick-shift
MikeyC said:
Interesting analysis by Jolyon Palmer as to why VER was pushing so hard on his lap to the grid
Also a bit about Haas pitstop penalty
TL:DR - he was trying to sync the gears to enable quick-shift
interesting that Palmer did the exact same without penalty as he personally called it, rather than the team.Also a bit about Haas pitstop penalty
TL:DR - he was trying to sync the gears to enable quick-shift
I gather both hass drivers were asking for dry tyres so penalizing on the grounds the team made the call seems quite pernicious.
Usual completely inconsistent stewarding from some duffers who think the sport should be about them though - bottas let off despite clear video evidence "because sensor says no", yet didn't Hamilton get cleared then later penalised for Austria 1 qually "after some further video evidence came to light"?
Teddy Lop said:
interesting that Palmer did the exact same without penalty as he personally called it, rather than the team.
I gather both hass drivers were asking for dry tyres so penalizing on the grounds the team made the call seems quite pernicious.
Usual completely inconsistent stewarding from some duffers who think the sport should be about them though - bottas let off despite clear video evidence "because sensor says no", yet didn't Hamilton get cleared then later penalised for Austria 1 qually "after some further video evidence came to light"?
As was explained by the stewards. There is no rule to penalize bottas with. The only rule is based on the sensor being triggered. The sensor wasn't triggered. Their hands are tied. I gather both hass drivers were asking for dry tyres so penalizing on the grounds the team made the call seems quite pernicious.
Usual completely inconsistent stewarding from some duffers who think the sport should be about them though - bottas let off despite clear video evidence "because sensor says no", yet didn't Hamilton get cleared then later penalised for Austria 1 qually "after some further video evidence came to light"?
Or they have to start making up unwritten rules, and I suspect you'd be against them having that power.
ajprice said:
A new video posted overnight of the Red Bull fix of Verstappen's car on the grid.
That’s very cool, need to see more of these please F1. Great to hear from people we never usually hear from on the radios, everyone keeping calm and getting on with the job, and senior personnel keeping the bigger picture and remembering the key milestones and rules that applied. The big call was to send him to the grid - if he’d gone for the box (as the driver suggested himself) they’d have committed to the pit lane start.
Sandpit Steve said:
ajprice said:
A new video posted overnight of the Red Bull fix of Verstappen's car on the grid.
That’s very cool, need to see more of these please F1. Great to hear from people we never usually hear from on the radios, everyone keeping calm and getting on with the job, and senior personnel keeping the bigger picture and remembering the key milestones and rules that applied. The big call was to send him to the grid - if he’d gone for the box (as the driver suggested himself) they’d have committed to the pit lane start.
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