Official 2020 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ** SPOILERS**

[kambites]

ch37 said:

Can't believe I clicked that nonsense.

The fact it was in the Mirror should have given you a fairly good clue. The Mirror might not be quite as bad as the Mail, but it's not far off.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

A typically strong performance by Hamilton here could put him in a run for the championship.

We know he goes well at Hungary and silverstone, so I feel him banking 2 out of three wins could demoralise the competition (realistically BOT & VER) into second and third places.

And that’s only 2 out of 3, he has as much chance of getting 3 out of 3.

I suppose the other drivers know this of course which means we could be seeing a very tight qually on Saturday with everyone knowing it’s their only chance to stop him.

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

A typically strong performance by Hamilton here could put him in a run for the championship.

We know he goes well at Hungary and silverstone, so I feel him banking 2 out of three wins could demoralise the competition (realistically BOT & VER) into second and third places.

And that’s only 2 out of 3, he has as much chance of getting 3 out of 3.

I suppose the other drivers know this of course which means we could be seeing a very tight qually on Saturday with everyone knowing it’s their only chance to stop him.

Max could be in with a shout in Hungary. But I can't see the Redbull getting anywhere near the Mercedes at Silverstone. And I can't see Bottas beating Lewis there either.

[kambites]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Max could be in with a shout in Hungary. But I can't see the Redbull getting anywhere near the Mercedes at Silverstone. And I can't see Bottas beating Lewis there either.

Conventional wisdom would have put Max/Redbull in with a chance in Austria, but they were realistically quite some way off Mercedes' race pace. Short of significant upgrades, I rather suspect the Mercedes will be the fastest car everywhere this season unless they have issues at extremes of temperature again.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think this season is at best going to be a battle between Hamilton and Bottas at the front. It's further back that things will be (very) interesting.

[kambites]

ash73 said:

What happens if a driver or someone in their bubble gets CV19? Do they have to self-isolate and miss races?

If any member of a "bubble" tests positive for CV19, I believe the whole bubble has to isolate for 14 days. So that would probably remove a driver from two races, it could possibly impact three if the timing was poor.

I'm interested to know how it will work aorund reserve drivers given that they wont have their own mechanic bubble and I think some are reserve drivers for more than one team?

Edited by kambites on Monday 13th July 10:37

[ajprice]

kambites said:

Short of significant upgrades, I rather suspect the Mercedes will be the fastest car everywhere this season unless they have issues at extremes of temperature again.

Toto did say at the first Austrian race that they didn't know how much the black paint would affect the car temperatures compared to the silver paint. They probably have some data on that now at the different temperatures and wet running in Austria.

[Mr Dendrite]

ajprice said:

kambites said:

Short of significant upgrades, I rather suspect the Mercedes will be the fastest car everywhere this season unless they have issues at extremes of temperature again.

Toto did say at the first Austrian race that they didn't know how much the black paint would affect the car temperatures compared to the silver paint. They probably have some data on that now at the different temperatures and wet running in Austria.

James Vowles, in the debrief from Austria, on you tube, made it very clear that the black paint makes no difference to the heat management for them. It wasn’t an issue.

[suffolk009]

MondeoMan1981 said:

With top speed less of a thing here, does it bring Ferrari forward a little?

I suspect Williams are hoping to beat them on track before the wnd of the season.

[suffolk009]

I expect Hamilton will run away with it again.

Everyone will get very excited about Max and RB, then either he or the team will balls something up.

Personally my main hopes are for McLaren to remain 2nd in the constructors and Norris to remain 3rd in the drivers championships. That'd be nice, make me happy.

[DanielSan]

kambites said:

If any member of a "bubble" tests positive for CV19, I believe the whole bubble has to isolate for 14 days. So that would probably remove a driver from two races, it could possibly impact three if the timing was poor.

I'm interested to know how it will work aorund reserve drivers given that they wont have their own mechanic bubble and I think some are reserve drivers for more than one team?

Edited by kambites on Monday 13th July 10:37

I think the drivers bubble only consists of him, their personal trainer and one or 2 other staff. Mechanics are seen as a separate bubble, aside from when the drivers in the car they're being kept seperate.

[Fortitude]

Undoubtedly Red Bull are getting closer now to winning a race in 2020...

Red Bull F1 team reveals extent of Verstappen's damage in Styrian GP

Red Bull has revealed the true extent of the front wing damage Max Verstappen picked up during F1’s Styrian GP.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/939409/1/red-bull-f1...

Max Verstappens' qualifying efforts have greatly improved, so much so, it is only a matter of time now, when Max gets consistent pole positions... ...perhaps that will start in Hungary?

[HustleRussell]

Fortitude said:

Undoubtedly Red Bull are getting closer now to winning a race in 2020...

Red Bull F1 team reveals extent of Verstappen's damage in Styrian GP

Red Bull has revealed the true extent of the front wing damage Max Verstappen picked up during F1’s Styrian GP.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/939409/1/red-bull-f1...

Max Verstappens' qualifying efforts have greatly improved, so much so, it is only a matter of time now, when Max gets consistent pole positions... ...perhaps that will start in Hungary?

Was going to post the same thing re: Max's car in Austria. A glimmer of hope for anybody who wants a contest for the championship. However I still doubt the Red Bull is fast enough. Verstappen was complaining about drivability and straight line speed in Austria, and in Albon's hands at least, the handling doesn't look great either.

Very interested to see how the Racing Point / Ferrari / McLaren / Renault battle will go.

[Ardennes92]

cuprabob said:

Not just Lewis, anyone who breaks the rules apparently.

Thought i had read that it only applied to British and non EU Residents/passport holders

[Fortitude]

HustleRussell said:

Was going to post the same thing re: Max's car in Austria. A glimmer of hope for anybody who wants a contest for the championship. However I still doubt the Red Bull is fast enough. Verstappen was complaining about drivability and straight line speed in Austria, and in Albon's hands at least, the handling doesn't look great either.

Very interested to see how the Racing Point / Ferrari / McLaren / Renault battle will go.

This following article, demonstrates, IMHO, that Red Bull were at a disadvantage at that track, BUT remember just how close Max Verstappen was to pole... ...tantalizingly close, under the circumstances!!

Then consider the race circuits coming up, where the Red Bull/Honda combination, is going to be more favourable... IMHO, there is opportunity and optimism to be had, for Max Verstappen.

'ERS limitation in Honda engine is causing Red Bull to lag behind'

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63123/-ers-limitati...

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

Fortitude said:

This following article, demonstrates, IMHO, that Red Bull were at a disadvantage at that track, BUT remember just how close Max Verstappen was to pole... ...tantalizingly close, under the circumstances!!

Then consider the race circuits coming up, where the Red Bull/Honda combination, is going to be more favourable... IMHO, there is opportunity and optimism to be had, for Max Verstappen.

'ERS limitation in Honda engine is causing Red Bull to lag behind'

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63123/-ers-limitati...

Max was no where near pole this weekend. Or were you referring to the previous race?

If you watched the gaps during the race, the Redbull was nowhere near the Mercedes on race pace. Lewis quickly pulled out a 5 second gap. Sat there until the pit window and extended it further before his stop. Then controlled it from there.

Then look how quickly Bottas cought and passed Max. Yes his tyres were newer. But the Mercs can go faster then the Bulls whilst looking after the tyres better.

[kambites]

DanielSan said:

I think the drivers bubble only consists of him, their personal trainer and one or 2 other staff. Mechanics are seen as a separate bubble, aside from when the drivers in the car they're being kept seperate.

Ah that would certainly be a sensible way to do it if it's viable for a driver to keep the requisite distance from his pit crew (for example can you realistically fasten a driver's belts without being in his bubble?)

[kambites]

Ardennes92 said:

cuprabob said:

Not just Lewis, anyone who breaks the rules apparently.

Thought i had read that it only applied to British and non EU Residents/passport holders

It is corrrect that some of the rules only apply to non-EU passport holders, but I believe it's also correct to say that anyone breaking any of the rules which were brought in to allow the exemption of F1 from current national lockdowns will be prosecuted for a public health offense. For example I believe the same limitations would apply to an EU citizen who has been outside the EU in the preceding 14 days.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Fortitude said:

This following article, demonstrates, IMHO, that Red Bull were at a disadvantage at that track, BUT remember just how close Max Verstappen was to pole... ...tantalizingly close, under the circumstances!!

Then consider the race circuits coming up, where the Red Bull/Honda combination, is going to be more favourable... IMHO, there is opportunity and optimism to be had, for Max Verstappen.

'ERS limitation in Honda engine is causing Red Bull to lag behind'

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63123/-ers-limitati...

Max was no where near pole this weekend. Or were you referring to the previous race?

If you watched the gaps during the race, the Redbull was nowhere near the Mercedes on race pace. Lewis quickly pulled out a 5 second gap. Sat there until the pit window and extended it further before his stop. Then controlled it from there.

Then look how quickly Bottas cought and passed Max. Yes his tyres were newer. But the Mercs can go faster then the Bulls whilst looking after the tyres better.

Nah, I'm not saying Merc don't have an advantage but Red Bull are yet again hobbled by having a nobody in the second car. they were suckered into pitting VER early so BOT could easily go long. Would he have had the pace to win? Obviously not but second could have easily been achievable if they had someone decent to throw under BOT.

The fraudster's son was losing over a second a lap to VER on the first stint alone-that's pathetic. If VER is close to HAM this weekend, we might get another thrilling end like last year but what happened again? Oh yes, VER was suckered into the strategy because he was out on his own again.

Would VET be so far behind? I seriously doubt it. We know RIC wouldn't be.

If McLaren come out of this triple header with more points than Red Bull there's something seriously wrong.

[anonymous-user]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

The fraudster's son

There really is no need for this, in fact it's totally out of order.

[Fortitude]

PanicBuyingBogRoll said:

Fortitude said:

This following article, demonstrates, IMHO, that Red Bull were at a disadvantage at that track, BUT remember just how close Max Verstappen was to pole... ...tantalizingly close, under the circumstances!!

Then consider the race circuits coming up, where the Red Bull/Honda combination, is going to be more favourable... IMHO, there is opportunity and optimism to be had, for Max Verstappen.

'ERS limitation in Honda engine is causing Red Bull to lag behind'

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/63123/-ers-limitati...

Max was no where near pole this weekend. Or were you referring to the previous race?

If you watched the gaps during the race, the Redbull was nowhere near the Mercedes on race pace. Lewis quickly pulled out a 5 second gap. Sat there until the pit window and extended it further before his stop. Then controlled it from there.

Then look how quickly Bottas cought and passed Max. Yes his tyres were newer. But the Mercs can go faster then the Bulls whilst looking after the tyres better.

Thanks for your post.

What I am looking at is Max Verstappens’ performance over the weekend. Look at the times in testing and Q1 and Q2, but understand in Q3, Max Verstappens’ last lap was compromised…

It is all about opinions, which is what makes this message board so special, BUT IMHO, he was close this last weekend.

Friday, first testing session

Max Verstappen 2nd 1:04:963
Lewis Hamilton 4th 1:05:120

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14089/eer...

Friday, second testing session

Max Verstappen 1st 1:03:660
Lewis Hamilton 6th 1:04:348

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14132/twe...

Saturday, Qualifying.

Q1

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:18:188
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:18:297

Q2

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:17:825
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:17:938

Q3

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:19:273
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:20:489

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14092/kwa...

C&P from google translate;

Verstappen explains spin in Q3: "But it didn't cost me pole"

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-nieuws/379386/verst...

July 11, 2020 - Max Verstappen has finished a haunting qualification on the Red Bull Ring second. The Limburger seemed to clock an even sharper time in the final phase, but lost control of his car in the last sector. The images are spectacular, although according to Verstappen the slider had no influence on his result.

Where drivers in a regular qualification finish at most two runs per session, fans were treated to sixty minutes of action this time. It made qualifying one not to forget. Most drivers did make a minor beauty mistake under the treacherous circumstances, and that also applied to Verstappen. He went wrong in the last move in Q3, resulting in an innocent slider. "But that round would not have been good enough to take pole," said Verstappen during the online press conference afterwards.

The slipper was closely related to Sebastian Vettel, who at that time went to the pit lane. "At least I think it was Seb who went into the pits at the time. But it was raining so hard that you couldn't even see the colors of the other cars very well," he continues. "Because Seb entered the pits, I had to deal with understeer. As a result, I ended up on the curbs at the exit of the corner in question and I lost control of the car. Anyway: I actually drifted nicely through that last corner. "the Dutchman laughs.