Official 2020 Hungarian Grand Prix Thread ** SPOILERS**

[Deesee]

@LOH is Albons mum one of your stalkers on here or did you buy a make believe car from her..

And if McLaren get more points than Red Bull in the first few races then fair play.. could not happen to a nicer team principle and lead driver, both ways..

[PanicBuyingBogRoll]

Fortitude said:

Thanks for your post.

What I am looking at is Max Verstappens’ performance over the weekend. Look at the times in testing and Q1 and Q2, but understand in Q3, Max Verstappens’ last lap was compromised…

It is all about opinions, which is what makes this message board so special, BUT IMHO, he was close this last weekend.

Friday, first testing session

Max Verstappen 2nd 1:04:963
Lewis Hamilton 4th 1:05:120

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14089/eer...

Friday, second testing session

Max Verstappen 1st 1:03:660
Lewis Hamilton 6th 1:04:348

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14132/twe...

Saturday, Qualifying.

Q1

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:18:188
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:18:297

Q2

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:17:825
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:17:938

Q3

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:19:273
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:20:489

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14092/kwa...

C&P from google translate;

Verstappen explains spin in Q3: "But it didn't cost me pole"

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-nieuws/379386/verst...

July 11, 2020 - Max Verstappen has finished a haunting qualification on the Red Bull Ring second. The Limburger seemed to clock an even sharper time in the final phase, but lost control of his car in the last sector. The images are spectacular, although according to Verstappen the slider had no influence on his result.

Where drivers in a regular qualification finish at most two runs per session, fans were treated to sixty minutes of action this time. It made qualifying one not to forget. Most drivers did make a minor beauty mistake under the treacherous circumstances, and that also applied to Verstappen. He went wrong in the last move in Q3, resulting in an innocent slider. "But that round would not have been good enough to take pole," said Verstappen during the online press conference afterwards.

The slipper was closely related to Sebastian Vettel, who at that time went to the pit lane. "At least I think it was Seb who went into the pits at the time. But it was raining so hard that you couldn't even see the colors of the other cars very well," he continues. "Because Seb entered the pits, I had to deal with understeer. As a result, I ended up on the curbs at the exit of the corner in question and I lost control of the car. Anyway: I actually drifted nicely through that last corner. "the Dutchman laughs.

He was certainly closer than anyone else. I'd love to see Max in the same car as Lewis to see how they got on. That would be a lot of fun.

I watched all of Friday practice. Lewis wasn't happy with the balance of his car. In FP2 he spent a lot of time in the garage. At the end of the session the front end was taken apart and re-aligned. So I'm not sure that was a true reflection of the Mercedes pace.

Also, I'm always dubious of the Mercedes times until Q3 and they turn the engine up to full power.

[Teddy Lop]

Eh-oh.

[Piginapoke]

I think the reality is, with Ferrari out of the running, it’s going to be another 2014. Let’s hope Bottas can make a fight of it.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Deesee said:

@LOH is Albons mum one of your stalkers on here or did you buy a make believe car from her..

And if McLaren get more points than Red Bull in the first few races then fair play.. could not happen to a nicer team principle and lead driver, both ways..

Thank goodness no I agree it's fair play that McLaren are leading RB too, you reap what you sew and McLaren seem to have (from the outside) a harmonious and decent driver pairing.

With Albon being so far off the pace however, Red Bull are going to hurt big time from any mechanical DNFs with the midfield being so much closer this season.

You could conceivably have a second tier team, a McLaren or Racing Point sneaking in second or third in the championship-no bad thing for the sport admittedly! A nice pay day for those two teams could really help them cement their rise.

[Europa1]

O/T, but Rush is currently available on iPlayer.

[HurryUpAndWait]

Teddy Lop said:

Eh-oh.

[suffolk009]

Fortitude said:

Thanks for your post.

What I am looking at is Max Verstappens’ performance over the weekend. Look at the times in testing and Q1 and Q2, but understand in Q3, Max Verstappens’ last lap was compromised…

It is all about opinions, which is what makes this message board so special, BUT IMHO, he was close this last weekend.

Friday, first testing session

Max Verstappen 2nd 1:04:963
Lewis Hamilton 4th 1:05:120

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14089/eer...

Friday, second testing session

Max Verstappen 1st 1:03:660
Lewis Hamilton 6th 1:04:348

https://www.gpupdate.net/nl/f1-uitslagen/14132/twe...

Saturday, Qualifying.

Q1

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:18:188
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:18:297

Q2

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:17:825
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:17:938

Q3

Lewis Hamilton 1st 1:19:273
Max Verstappen 2nd 1:20:489

The only time that matters in all of the above is Q3. And there's three quarters of a second missing from Verstappen's pace there.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

suffolk009 said:

The only time that matters in all of the above is Q3. And there's three quarters of a second missing from Verstappen's pace there.

The stopwatch never lies, it perhaps doesn’t tell the whole truth though.

Verstappen was up on his previous time but still down on Hamilton, which obviously means he would have been closer than what it was if he hadn’t have caught the Ferrari at a bad point.

The Mercedes always has held an advantage in the wet against the high rake cars, just perhaps not always in Bottas’ hands (glazed disk they said eh? Funny they didn’t replace it for Sunday).

So could Verstappen have been closer in Q3 had the rain not gotten heavier or he’d not understeered onto the curb after Vettel?

I’d say so, but that isn’t how it works obviously.

Still a sublime lap from Hamilton.

[Derek Smith]

suffolk009 said:

The only time that matters in all of the above is Q3. And there's three quarters of a second missing from Verstappen's pace there.

I agree. That shows the RB deficit, at least on the short track.

We can't go by race speed as LH kept the gap at around 5 seconds for lap after lap. It was very impressive. Great management. I would assume that Merc and LH anticipated a pace car, so no point in building a big lead.

Another great 'manage' was Norris. He made his softs last well into the race. It was over half way I seem to remember before he pitted. He then drove circumspectly on his meds initially and towards the end of the race put his spurt on. You could say he was lucky, but you make you own luck. He kept out of trouble while still racing.

Bottas did enough for second, which was the best he could hope for without LH running into trouble.

MV seemed to be pushing at at times, with some very fast laps, but each time he did it, LH reinstalled the gap within two laps. That must have been depressing. I think we saw more of RB's real pace than we did of Merc. At the start and restart, LH built a gap to MV far too easily for comfort. Once out of the DRS window, LH slowed his pace and built the gap up to the 5 secs steadily.

The race director tended to concentrate on the midfield to an extent, but following it on live timing showed that it was probably one of the closest non-pace car affected races I can remember, with the midfield bunched for lap after lap. It was a wonder there was no further pace car after the initial one.

I doubt we'll see much difference in comparative performance in Hungary. The race between the two Mercs will be the thing. I hope the midfield battle is as intense.

[Deesee]

its looking wet this weekend!

[BrettMRC]

Wonder what new protests various teams are preparing for this weekend?

Hard not to predict a Merc win again - if it's Bottas then it will open the season up for a good Merc v Merc fight.

[Matthen]

Fortitude said:

Verstappen explains spin in Q3: "But it didn't cost me pole"....

Sky did a side by side lap analysis between the two. IIRC Verstappen was 6 tenths behind before he spun on the final lap: I think they said it was turn 9 when he lost a lot of it... Might be making that up though. Hamilton ran a wide line and got the power down smoothly, Verstappen took a different one and drove through a river.

[Fortitude]

Matthen said:

Fortitude said:

Verstappen explains spin in Q3: "But it didn't cost me pole"....

Sky did a side by side lap analysis between the two. IIRC Verstappen was 6 tenths behind before he spun on the final lap: I think they said it was turn 9 when he lost a lot of it... Might be making that up though. Hamilton ran a wide line and got the power down smoothly, Verstappen took a different one and drove through a river.

Thanks for giving some detail, on the comparison made between the two qualifying laps.

Red Bull expects to close gap on Mercedes at F1 Hungarian GP

Red Bull believes its car will be better suited for this weekend's Hungarian Grand Prix - after feeling much of Mercedes' advantage in Austria was on the straights.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/150565/red-bull-...

[anonymous-user]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

The Mercedes always has held an advantage in the wet against the high rake cars, just perhaps not always in Bottas’ hands (glazed disk they said eh? Funny they didn’t replace it for Sunday).

What makes you say that the high rake cars have a disadvantage in the wet?

Why would you need to change a glazed disk when you can glaze bust it?

[anonymous-user]

Matthen said:

Sky did a side by side lap analysis between the two. IIRC Verstappen was 6 tenths behind before he spun on the final lap: I think they said it was turn 9 when he lost a lot of it... Might be making that up though. Hamilton ran a wide line and got the power down smoothly, Verstappen took a different one and drove through a river.

Turn 9 is where he spun, it was the mid section of the track where most time was lost.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

jsf said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

The Mercedes always has held an advantage in the wet against the high rake cars, just perhaps not always in Bottas’ hands (glazed disk they said eh? Funny they didn’t replace it for Sunday).

A/ What makes you say that the high rake cars have a disadvantage in the wet?

B/Why would you need to change a glazed disk when you can glaze bust it?

A/ Once the high rake cars raise the ride height for wet weather running they get more detachment

B/ According to Codling, they didn't do anything to it.

[anonymous-user]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

A/ Once the high rake cars raise the ride height for wet weather running they get more detachment

B/ According to Codling, they didn't do anything to it.

A/ If you are suggesting its the ground effect changing, low rake cars will see more of this as a higher percentage of the car is lower to the ground, so will see a bigger change.

B/ You can glaze bust a brake disk by driving the car and getting the disk into operating temperature range. That's one of the things they do on the out/in laps before going to the grid. In the wet to achieve that you might have to blank the cooling duct for those runs.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

jsf said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

A/ Once the high rake cars raise the ride height for wet weather running they get more detachment

B/ According to Codling, they didn't do anything to it.

A/ If you are suggesting its the ground effect changing, low rake cars will see more of this as a higher percentage of the car is lower to the ground, so will see a bigger change.

B/ You can glaze bust a brake disk by driving the car and getting the disk into operating temperature range. That's one of the things they do on the out/in laps before going to the grid. In the wet to achieve that you might have to blank the cooling duct for those runs.

On aero, I don't know as I'm not an aerodynamicist however there was an interesting article a couple of years ago that detailed it better than I can remember. Not ground effect per se, more to do with the Y250 vortex and getting the air to seal at the bottom. Once the car is lifted beyond a certain point this becomes less effective. Perhaps a moot point now the aero regs have changed re Y250?

[M5-911]

Bottas should do well if dry weather in qualifying. If he gets pole, Hamilton will have no chance to win as overtaking a similar powered car is closed to impossible! If Ham is on pole, he will just walk away with ease.