Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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TheDeuce said:
C70R said:
You're right. How silly of me.
Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
You said cycling was a sport for rich people...Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 06:58
That's simply not true is it? Yes perhaps some that take part in cycling as a sport are spending insane money on their kit to gain an advantage at the elite level, but there are also more riders in amateur competitions that aren't rich at all - same as club level motorsport. In both instances they'll probably spend thousands a year, but that isn't being 'rich', people from all walks of life find that sort of money for whatever their chief passion is; golf, fishing, music etc.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 07:23
C70R said:
TheDeuce said:
C70R said:
You're right. How silly of me.
Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
You said cycling was a sport for rich people...Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 06:58
That's simply not true is it? Yes perhaps some that take part in cycling as a sport are spending insane money on their kit to gain an advantage at the elite level, but there are also more riders in amateur competitions that aren't rich at all - same as club level motorsport. In both instances they'll probably spend thousands a year, but that isn't being 'rich', people from all walks of life find that sort of money for whatever their chief passion is; golf, fishing, music etc.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 07:23
Granted, spending more can give an entrant an advantage but that's the same for most sports. And at elite level all sports are very expensive one way or another. Are you talking only about cycling at the elite level?
I imagine once you go beyond the hobbyist into the dedicated competing amateur, it could get expensive. A guy comes into our local sometimes after a ride out and brings his bike inside with him- all £10k off it.
Equally others will make do with a £200 one.
Anyway, what's all this got to do with the joint winningest driver in F1 history?
Equally others will make do with a £200 one.
Anyway, what's all this got to do with the joint winningest driver in F1 history?
RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I imagine once you go beyond the hobbyist into the dedicated competing amateur, it could get expensive. A guy comes into our local sometimes after a ride out and brings his bike inside with him- all £10k off it.
Equally others will make do with a £200 one.
Anyway, what's all this got to do with the joint winningest driver in F1 history?
I've no doubt it can quickly get expensive, like most hobbies taken seriously and then competitively.. but you don't need to be 'rich' to find 10k for something you love (and that doubles as transport). You need a reasonable level of disposable income and the will to spend it.Equally others will make do with a £200 one.
Anyway, what's all this got to do with the joint winningest driver in F1 history?
As for winningest.. winningest of all time 'WOAT'. Next year that will be inarguable I expect, even if 'GOAT' remains a source of disagreement forevermore.
TheDeuce said:
He hasn't said he isn't anti-racist, he's simply said he doesn't understand the repeat taking a knee ceremony. Obviously we can all understand the meaning of it, but questioning the particular gesture isn't 'racist'.
His comments about 'we have no such problem in Russia' are hard for me to accept, but quite frankly he's Russian and has little option but to publicly repeat the official line..
Yes he is foreign (ironic, given what we're discussing) so he does speak in more basic and blunt terms when speaking in English, but other than media sensationalism and Lewis jumping on it as an example of the problem, he hasn't actually said or hinted at anything racist at all has he? He's only said that he thinks it's too much as have probably the majority on here. I certainly think it's too much and out of proportion for many entirely logical reasons - doesn't mean I don't think racism isn't an issue and shouldn't be tackled.
A sense of perspective is needed I think.
As far as I'm aware, Hamilton hasn't jumped on anything. The media pointed out Petrov's statements in a press conference and Hamilton commented on them..His comments about 'we have no such problem in Russia' are hard for me to accept, but quite frankly he's Russian and has little option but to publicly repeat the official line..
Yes he is foreign (ironic, given what we're discussing) so he does speak in more basic and blunt terms when speaking in English, but other than media sensationalism and Lewis jumping on it as an example of the problem, he hasn't actually said or hinted at anything racist at all has he? He's only said that he thinks it's too much as have probably the majority on here. I certainly think it's too much and out of proportion for many entirely logical reasons - doesn't mean I don't think racism isn't an issue and shouldn't be tackled.
A sense of perspective is needed I think.
Lewis Hamilton said:
I've not seen all the quotes, obviously you've just recited some of them. So yes, of course, that is I would say a surprise to see that they would be hiring someone that has those beliefs and is so vocal about things that we're trying to fight against.
So you should take it up with them really, it's nothing I can particularly do anything about it. But we should definitely be including people here who are with the times, who are understanding of the times that we are living in and sensitive to the matters that are surrounding us.
I mean, it might be said down the pub but does anyone really think Petrov's statement is acceptable for a position of authority? Never mind when he is representing a company who is actively trying to take a stand against racism and a lack of diversity.So you should take it up with them really, it's nothing I can particularly do anything about it. But we should definitely be including people here who are with the times, who are understanding of the times that we are living in and sensitive to the matters that are surrounding us.
Vitali Petrov said:
What if one of the drivers comes out as gay? Will they go out with a rainbow flag and urge everyone else to become gay or something?
Edited by LaurasOtherHalf on Friday 23 October 08:15
C70R said:
You're right. How silly of me.
Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
I once raced a £150 bike, winner of the British TT won on a bitsa....Sport doesn’t mean race. Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 06:58
Anything else you want to be wrong about?
ddom said:
I once raced a £150 bike, winner of the British TT won on a bitsa....Sport doesn’t mean race.
Anything else you want to be wrong about?
Sport means 'competition'? ...so it kinda does mean 'race'Anything else you want to be wrong about?
these days you can certainly participate at £150, but you wont win ...20-30 years ago perhaps, but the game has moved on
RB Will said:
I think we need to define “rich”.
I know a fair few athletes, running, cycling, triathlon, amateur, National and World class level and I can’t think of any I would call rich.
I wouldn't either, more a middle class thing (unless you're northern- but it's also in decline there) - a bit like Golf, which poorer kids also struggle to get into due to cost & accessibilityI know a fair few athletes, running, cycling, triathlon, amateur, National and World class level and I can’t think of any I would call rich.
Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1
I’m presuming there’s a similar law in Pistonheads, where all discussions eventually lead to cycling?
I’m presuming there’s a similar law in Pistonheads, where all discussions eventually lead to cycling?
jimothyc said:
Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1
I’m presuming there’s a similar law in Pistonheads, where all discussions eventually lead to cycling?
I’m presuming there’s a similar law in Pistonheads, where all discussions eventually lead to cycling?
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TheDeuce said:
C70R said:
TheDeuce said:
C70R said:
You're right. How silly of me.
Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
You said cycling was a sport for rich people...Those triathletes and sport cyclists like JB (you know, the ones he's marketing that expensive gear to) are all riding £100 Raleigh mountain bikes bought on Gumtree.
There's also absolutely no difference between my 70yo mother riding a bike along the front at Hove, and someone riding seriously for actual sport.
What a predictable reaction and a classically terrible PH attempt at a retort that is.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 06:58
That's simply not true is it? Yes perhaps some that take part in cycling as a sport are spending insane money on their kit to gain an advantage at the elite level, but there are also more riders in amateur competitions that aren't rich at all - same as club level motorsport. In both instances they'll probably spend thousands a year, but that isn't being 'rich', people from all walks of life find that sort of money for whatever their chief passion is; golf, fishing, music etc.
Edited by C70R on Friday 23 October 07:23
Granted, spending more can give an entrant an advantage but that's the same for most sports. And at elite level all sports are very expensive one way or another. Are you talking only about cycling at the elite level?
angrymoby said:
Sport means 'competition'? ...so it kinda does mean 'race'
these days you can certainly participate at £150, but you wont win ...20-30 years ago perhaps, but the game has moved on
Plenty of ultra fit cyclists can outrace competitors on kit worth a fraction of their competitors.these days you can certainly participate at £150, but you wont win ...20-30 years ago perhaps, but the game has moved on
vaud said:
angrymoby said:
Sport means 'competition'? ...so it kinda does mean 'race'
these days you can certainly participate at £150, but you wont win ...20-30 years ago perhaps, but the game has moved on
Plenty of ultra fit cyclists can outrace competitors on kit worth a fraction of their competitors.these days you can certainly participate at £150, but you wont win ...20-30 years ago perhaps, but the game has moved on
C70R said:
Fresh Prince said:
I think there’s plenty wrong with Petrov‘s statement, but he’s entitled to his view. I don’t follow the analogy either, gay protestors aren’t trying to get people to “confess” or convert to being gay, I’m sure their protest would be more about their right to exist without threat to life and be part of society.
Russia has a horrendous record when it comes to treatment of gay people and ethnic minorities. Yet, in classic Soviet propaganda fashion, they can't keep their mouths shut when given an international stage.The government typically raise it as an issue of religion, but that's a thin veneer. Religious participation in Russia is in serious decline, but the government need a yardstick to hold these non-conservative views against so that they can be called "anti-establishment".
The average Joseph on the street probably doesn't care, but the government have made the tiny gay community scapegoats for things like falling birthrates. The actual truth is that birthrates are falling due to declining economic conditions and general westernisation of values (in 90s Russia you were considered an "old mother" if you were over 25).
In spite of this, the more progressive/Western St Petersburg has a relatively vibrant LGBT+ scene, where it's a case of "out of sight, out of mind" for Moscow.
Source: Have gay Russian friends, have spent a lot of time in the country.
Vitaly Petrov's comments are reprehensible and I don't think he should be associated with the FIA having made them.
Polite M135 driver said:
im not really interested in the cycling debate but also would just like to say I am also a bit confused why JB's wife is so chavvy.
Can you explain that one? I dont know her but from what I’ve seen on JBs social media I’m not sure I could level that claim at her? Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff