Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[angrymoby]

MarkwG said:

It does, but that's not the only interpretation: he saw the opportunity to pass, but chose the wrong side to pass on. If he'd gone left & succeeded, then everyone would be applauding...they're paid to race, after all.

Rosberg would have just pushed Hamilton out on the outside instead ...there was no way he was letting him past that year (also see Austria)

[amgmcqueen]

Cpb1702 said:

Brits love a loser!

We all love Gazza. Won nothing, drunk, cheat and wife beater. Lewis is a Brit, came from nothing, doesn’t cheat, has amazing talent. The best of all time in his sport. We don’t have that many of that standing we should cherish him.

The pride of Monaco.

[IforB]

amgmcqueen said:

Cpb1702 said:

Brits love a loser!

We all love Gazza. Won nothing, drunk, cheat and wife beater. Lewis is a Brit, came from nothing, doesn’t cheat, has amazing talent. The best of all time in his sport. We don’t have that many of that standing we should cherish him.

The pride of Monaco.

Shush now. Adults are talking.

[RB Will]

angrymoby said:

Rosberg would have just pushed Hamilton out on the outside instead ...there was no way he was letting him past that year (also see Austria)

Didn’t Rosberg let him through willingly at Monaco?

[paulguitar]

amgmcqueen said:

Cpb1702 said:

Brits love a loser!

We all love Gazza. Won nothing, drunk, cheat and wife beater. Lewis is a Brit, came from nothing, doesn’t cheat, has amazing talent. The best of all time in his sport. We don’t have that many of that standing we should cherish him.

The pride of Monaco.

Good for you, poppet.

[M5-911]

amgmcqueen said:

Cpb1702 said:

Brits love a loser!

We all love Gazza. Won nothing, drunk, cheat and wife beater. Lewis is a Brit, came from nothing, doesn’t cheat, has amazing talent. The best of all time in his sport. We don’t have that many of that standing we should cherish him.

The pride of Monaco.

Might be but I think that he still in the top 5000 biggest tax payer in the UK. Like all of you guys, he is contributing to the economy, despite spending most of his time abroad.

[MarkwG]

angrymoby said:

MarkwG said:

It does, but that's not the only interpretation: he saw the opportunity to pass, but chose the wrong side to pass on. If he'd gone left & succeeded, then everyone would be applauding...they're paid to race, after all.

Rosberg would have just pushed Hamilton out on the outside instead ...there was no way he was letting him past that year (also see Austria)

I guess that depends on when Hamilton sussed Rosberg was in trouble: for me, Rosberg realised two corners back, started selling the dummy just before the previous corner, & aimed hard right to close him off: big if, but if Hamilton had kept it shallow, he'd have drafted by on the left, as Rosberg had already made his move to protect the lead - an abrupt change of direction at that stage would not have ended well for either. I reckon that's what Lauda was getting at. Perhaps Bottas is suffering for the lessons Hamilton learned that year...

[antspants]

IforB said:

Shush now. Adults are talking.

I liked that, it's a poilte but deservedly belittling response

[angrymoby]

RB Will said:

angrymoby said:

Rosberg would have just pushed Hamilton out on the outside instead ...there was no way he was letting him past that year (also see Austria)

Didn’t Rosberg let him through willingly at Monaco?

No.

[ch37]

I love how a single (minor, in the grand scheme of things) incident from 4 years ago is being dragged up and discussed in detail in this thread right now. If that's not confirmation of how insanely consistent (and clean) he has been then I don't know what is.

Can you imagine the incidents that could be dragged up for Schumacher or Senna over any 80 race period?!

For whatever reason Hamilton seems to be held to a much tougher expectation of how an F1 driver should behave or perform compared to pretty much any other driver in memory.

[heebeegeetee]

ch37 said:

I love how a single (minor, in the grand scheme of things) incident from 4 years ago is being dragged up and discussed in detail in this thread right now. If that's not confirmation of how insanely consistent (and clean) he has been then I don't know what is.

Can you imagine the incidents that could be dragged up for Schumacher or Senna over any 80 race period?!

For whatever reason Hamilton seems to be held to a much tougher expectation of how an F1 driver should behave or perform compared to pretty much any other driver in memory.

[TheDeuce]

ch37 said:

I love how a single (minor, in the grand scheme of things) incident from 4 years ago is being dragged up and discussed in detail in this thread right now. If that's not confirmation of how insanely consistent (and clean) he has been then I don't know what is.

Can you imagine the incidents that could be dragged up for Schumacher or Senna over any 80 race period?!

For whatever reason Hamilton seems to be held to a much tougher expectation of how an F1 driver should behave or perform compared to pretty much any other driver in memory.

I prefer to judge racing drivers as racing drivers, and on that point Lewis is simply epic - there is so much more to being a good racer than athleticism on track, it's his entire mental attitude and composure that keeps him clean and clear.

However... as to the question of why people judge him so much - I think it's got a lot to do with him being so pious about so many things! He put's himself in a glass house, and people will throw rocks.. In short, he's doing nothing wrong and doesn't really deserve a lot of the criticism. But people are ready and willing to criticise, and he does invite the criticism of a certain sort of (presumably fairly bored and hopeless) person when he goes on about whatever is trending on twitter that week.

To be fair, even though I don't criticise him for it myself, I would prefer to just see him being a racer. I've already had world politics rammed down my throat all week, when I turn on sport, I'd kind of like to see champions enthused about the sport itself. So I kind of get the frustration some people feel. I just don't understand why it's actually a problem for them - because clearly he still gets the 'sport' element just about perfect in-spite of also asking people to be vegan and begin each work day on one knee.

[Muzzer79]

TheDeuce said:

To be fair, even though I don't criticise him for it myself, I would prefer to just see him being a racer. I've already had world politics rammed down my throat all week, when I turn on sport, I'd kind of like to see champions enthused about the sport itself. So I kind of get the frustration some people feel. I just don't understand why it's actually a problem for them - because clearly he still gets the 'sport' element just about perfect in-spite of also asking people to be vegan and begin each work day on one knee.

This I don’t understand

I’ve never seen him once ask anyone to be a vegan.

I’ve seen him say that a vegan lifestyle works for him and he believes it to be the right way, but I’ve never seen anything from him saying

“You should be a vegan too.” Or
“Come on everybody, go vegan”

Same with the one knee thing. He does it, but he was quite clear in Austria that it’s the individual’s choice as to whether they do.

Jenson Button posts loads of pictures of his son and wife on his social media, saying how fantastic they are. I don’t feel that he’s telling me to be a Dad or get married though?

[Blue62]

Muzzer79 said:

This I don’t understand

I’ve never seen him once ask anyone to be a vegan.

I’ve seen him say that a vegan lifestyle works for him and he believes it to be the right way, but I’ve never seen anything from him saying

“You should be a vegan too.” Or
“Come on everybody, go vegan”

Same with the one knee thing. He does it, but he was quite clear in Austria that it’s the individual’s choice as to whether they do.

Jenson Button posts loads of pictures of his son and wife on his social media, saying how fantastic they are. I don’t feel that he’s telling me to be a Dad or get married though?

I think those people who play the ‘he should stick to driving and shut up’ card, simply find his views repugnant, it doesn’t matter who is expressing them.

Katie Hopkins has the same effect on me.

[RB Will]

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

angrymoby said:

Rosberg would have just pushed Hamilton out on the outside instead ...there was no way he was letting him past that year (also see Austria)

Didn’t Rosberg let him through willingly at Monaco?

No.

Yes

[spunkytherabbit]

TheDeuce said:

However... as to the question of why people judge him so much - I think it's got a lot to do with him being so pious about so many things! He put's himself in a glass house, and people will throw rocks.. In short, he's doing nothing wrong and doesn't really deserve a lot of the criticism. But people are ready and willing to criticise, and he does invite the criticism of a certain sort of (presumably fairly bored and hopeless) person when he goes on about whatever is trending on twitter that week.

I think it probably says more about those who do rush to judge people in the public eye. I can't justify the fact that participating in social media, as in putting yourself out there by using it, is actually walking into a glass house but acknowledge that is the reality. It shouldn't be like that and the rush to judge, Hamilton especially, reflects this. Had Hamilton been at this point 15-20 years ago but with no social media platform full stop, I suspect more people would be commending his achievements and not be handing out back handed compliments to the extent they do.

That you have to have broad shoulders to be a high profile social media user, and one that is active in high profile topics too, shouldn't be the case. But Hamilton clearly does and all credit to someone that can put themselves out there for such scrutiny, be attempting to use their public profile to drive change, yet still achieve like he does in his career.

Personally, I think Hamilton has been one of the first drivers to show that there is life outside of F1 and many people have taken exception to that for no good reason. Just as F1 has to change and evolve with the world, we as fans have to acknowledge and do the same. F1, big sport in the West in general, is no longer cocooned away from the outside world and Marcus Rashford and the free school meals issue in the UK is another demonstration of that. The scrutiny on the large sports in the US etc. F1 coverage clearly isn't going to ignore this exposure to the outside world now so F1 fans, myself included, have to do one of two things. Either accept that and learn to live with (and maybe enjoy) how this is going to shape the coverage of the sport (and personalities - Hamilton being a case in point), or turn on at lights out and turn off at the end and leave it at that.

[RB Will]

ch37 said:

Can you imagine the incidents that could be dragged up for Schumacher or Senna over any 80 race period?!.

For my own education, apart from the 3 championship deciding incidents, what else in their career suggests regular dirty driving? As it seems a relatively common claim.

[swisstoni]

RB Will said:

ch37 said:

Can you imagine the incidents that could be dragged up for Schumacher or Senna over any 80 race period?!.

For my own education, apart from the 3 championship deciding incidents, what else in their career suggests regular dirty driving? As it seems a relatively common claim.

Do we really have to go down that rabbit hole?

[Exige77]

Muzzer79 said:

TheDeuce said:

To be fair, even though I don't criticise him for it myself, I would prefer to just see him being a racer. I've already had world politics rammed down my throat all week, when I turn on sport, I'd kind of like to see champions enthused about the sport itself. So I kind of get the frustration some people feel. I just don't understand why it's actually a problem for them - because clearly he still gets the 'sport' element just about perfect in-spite of also asking people to be vegan and begin each work day on one knee.

This I don’t understand

I’ve never seen him once ask anyone to be a vegan.

I’ve seen him say that a vegan lifestyle works for him and he believes it to be the right way, but I’ve never seen anything from him saying

“You should be a vegan too.” Or
“Come on everybody, go vegan”

Same with the one knee thing. He does it, but he was quite clear in Austria that it’s the individual’s choice as to whether they do.

Jenson Button posts loads of pictures of his son and wife on his social media, saying how fantastic they are. I don’t feel that he’s telling me to be a Dad or get married though?

It’s an individual’s choice except when his individual fellow F1 drivers don’t give his cause the right amount of attention ?

I write as one of “Lewis the racing driver’s” greatest admirers.

As said previously by another poster, it’s wall to wall politics on the news everyday, I don’t want it to see it on the sporting stage.

I do wish Lewis would stick to the racing on a race weekend. He has endless opportunities on social media to push his causes which is absolutely fine. He has every right to use his fame in which ever way he chooses in his own time.

[anonymous-user]

RB Will said:

For my own education, apart from the 3 championship deciding incidents, what else in their career suggests regular dirty driving? As it seems a relatively common claim.

Schumacher?

Took Hakkinen out at the 1990 Macau F3. Petulantly smashed into Derek Warwick at the Nurburgring in '91. Bundled Frentzen off track at Canada '98. Parked his Ferrari at Monaco '06. Ran his old teamate almost into the pitwall in Hungary 2010. Those are some of the standout ones.