Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
Discussion
WickerBill said:
If you cant differentiate between the 2 and therefore want to ban all 'politics' then quite frankly you need to give your heads a wobble
I don't think people truly believe that.I think it's a game of cheap point-scoring to compare what Lewis is trying to achieve with the minority loonies who've adopted and politicised "Black Lives Matter".
He's openly and clearly dismissed suggestions that he supports the BLM political movement, but that won't stop people from wilfully continuing to call this "politics" as a justification for disagreeing with it.
C70R said:
nickfrog said:
swisstoni said:
This is sometimes politicised by the ignorant.
But it is not political.
Agreed, it's like racial equality in that sense: not political.But it is not political.
I don't know why people continue to call this politics. I fear it's an attempt to muddy the waters.
Lewis Hamilton asking for people to consider their understanding of systemic racist discrimination is in no way a political statement.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
amgmcqueen said:
mantis84 said:
I'm astonished that some people can have a go at Hamilton for using his fame and popularity to campaign against racism, and suggesting that a couple of minutes prior to a race dedicated to a show of unity and a slogan on his t-shirt or his helmet negatively affects your enjoyment of a race is beyond pathetic.
As others have said, the fight against racism isn't a political issue. Not being treated differently because of the colour of ones skin is basic human right.
BLM is political.As others have said, the fight against racism isn't a political issue. Not being treated differently because of the colour of ones skin is basic human right.
Hamilton is supporting a far left extremist organization that wants to defund the police and end capitalism. He then proceeds to try and bully other drivers into following his Marxist views.
Sport and politics should never mix. It's horrible to watch.
I have to say that if it makes you uncomfortable, then job done.
Nice one Lewis, it is having an impact.
swisstoni said:
I absolutely think that Lewis did what he did out of heartfelt good intentions that any right-minded person would understand and agree with.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
They aren't.But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
BLM: "Black Lives Matter is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people"
Political party: "In politics, a political party is an organized group of people who have the same ideology, or who otherwise have the same political positions, and who field candidates for elections, in an attempt to get them elected and thereby implement their agenda."
BLM is not a single party or organized group.
swisstoni said:
C70R said:
nickfrog said:
swisstoni said:
This is sometimes politicised by the ignorant.
But it is not political.
Agreed, it's like racial equality in that sense: not political.But it is not political.
I don't know why people continue to call this politics. I fear it's an attempt to muddy the waters.
Lewis Hamilton asking for people to consider their understanding of systemic racist discrimination is in no way a political statement.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
Hamilton has openly distanced himself from them.
Do you still think he's promoting the political views, or can you be a tiny bit less binary?
swisstoni said:
It’s all good when you agree with the cause.
The problem arises when, for instance, some other sporting figure thinks that some far-right group could do with a bit of publicity at a medal ceremony.
That's their call too.The problem arises when, for instance, some other sporting figure thinks that some far-right group could do with a bit of publicity at a medal ceremony.
It would be hypocritical to sit here and say that I disagree with their right to do it. That's how freedom of speech works.
If you could explore some non-binary thinking for a moment, it's possible to agree with their right and disagree with their cause at the same time.
vaud said:
swisstoni said:
I absolutely think that Lewis did what he did out of heartfelt good intentions that any right-minded person would understand and agree with.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
They aren't.But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
BLM: "Black Lives Matter is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people"
Political party: "In politics, a political party is an organized group of people who have the same ideology, or who otherwise have the same political positions, and who field candidates for elections, in an attempt to get them elected and thereby implement their agenda."
BLM is not a single party or organized group.
https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/black-lives-ma...
swisstoni said:
Thanks for the advice on how to think.
I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand non-binary thought processes.I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
At least it's helped me mark you down as either a troll or beyond help, so I'll be sure to ignore you in future.
C70R said:
swisstoni said:
Thanks for the advice on how to think.
I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand non-binary thought processes.I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
At least it's helped me mark you down as either a troll or beyond help, so I'll be sure to ignore you in future.
HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
Because it's "politics innit".The (wilful?) lack of critical thinking in this thread is more befitting a class of primary school children than adults.
HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
Because of the high risk of far right groups infiltrating the event...apparently.nickfrog said:
HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
Because of the high risk of far right groups infiltrating the event...apparently.There is no end.....
HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
My view is that racism is fundamentally a moral issue, not political. However politicians have turned moral issues into political issues (generally) to try to divide and conquer.This hugely blurs the line between calling something moral or political. You then take something like racism and one political party start to talk about it and what is fundamentally a moral issue becomes “political” due to the ever increasing tribal-ness (yes, I know!) of politics in general.
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