Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

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C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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WickerBill said:
If you cant differentiate between the 2 and therefore want to ban all 'politics' then quite frankly you need to give your heads a wobble
I don't think people truly believe that.

I think it's a game of cheap point-scoring to compare what Lewis is trying to achieve with the minority loonies who've adopted and politicised "Black Lives Matter".

He's openly and clearly dismissed suggestions that he supports the BLM political movement, but that won't stop people from wilfully continuing to call this "politics" as a justification for disagreeing with it.

swisstoni

17,039 posts

280 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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C70R said:
nickfrog said:
swisstoni said:
This is sometimes politicised by the ignorant.
But it is not political.
Agreed, it's like racial equality in that sense: not political.
Exactly.

I don't know why people continue to call this politics. I fear it's an attempt to muddy the waters.

Lewis Hamilton asking for people to consider their understanding of systemic racist discrimination is in no way a political statement.
I absolutely think that Lewis did what he did out of heartfelt good intentions that any right-minded person would understand and agree with.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.

IforB

9,840 posts

230 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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amgmcqueen said:
mantis84 said:
I'm astonished that some people can have a go at Hamilton for using his fame and popularity to campaign against racism, and suggesting that a couple of minutes prior to a race dedicated to a show of unity and a slogan on his t-shirt or his helmet negatively affects your enjoyment of a race is beyond pathetic.

As others have said, the fight against racism isn't a political issue. Not being treated differently because of the colour of ones skin is basic human right.
BLM is political.

Hamilton is supporting a far left extremist organization that wants to defund the police and end capitalism. He then proceeds to try and bully other drivers into following his Marxist views.

Sport and politics should never mix. It's horrible to watch.
Then can I suggest you hide behind your sofa when he does it.

I have to say that if it makes you uncomfortable, then job done.

Nice one Lewis, it is having an impact.

vaud

50,607 posts

156 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
I absolutely think that Lewis did what he did out of heartfelt good intentions that any right-minded person would understand and agree with.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
They aren't.

BLM: "Black Lives Matter is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people"

Political party: "In politics, a political party is an organized group of people who have the same ideology, or who otherwise have the same political positions, and who field candidates for elections, in an attempt to get them elected and thereby implement their agenda."

BLM is not a single party or organized group.

swisstoni

17,039 posts

280 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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It’s all good when you agree with the cause.

The problem arises when, for instance, some other sporting figure thinks that some far-right group could do with a bit of publicity at a medal ceremony.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
C70R said:
nickfrog said:
swisstoni said:
This is sometimes politicised by the ignorant.
But it is not political.
Agreed, it's like racial equality in that sense: not political.
Exactly.

I don't know why people continue to call this politics. I fear it's an attempt to muddy the waters.

Lewis Hamilton asking for people to consider their understanding of systemic racist discrimination is in no way a political statement.
I absolutely think that Lewis did what he did out of heartfelt good intentions that any right-minded person would understand and agree with.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
They are a bunch of loonies who adopted a phrase to further extreme political views.

Hamilton has openly distanced himself from them.

Do you still think he's promoting the political views, or can you be a tiny bit less binary?

angrymoby

2,613 posts

179 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
both Mandela & MLK were labelled as communists

anyone noticing a pattern?

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
It’s all good when you agree with the cause.

The problem arises when, for instance, some other sporting figure thinks that some far-right group could do with a bit of publicity at a medal ceremony.
That's their call too.

It would be hypocritical to sit here and say that I disagree with their right to do it. That's how freedom of speech works.

If you could explore some non-binary thinking for a moment, it's possible to agree with their right and disagree with their cause at the same time.

MarkwG

4,858 posts

190 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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vaud said:
swisstoni said:
I absolutely think that Lewis did what he did out of heartfelt good intentions that any right-minded person would understand and agree with.
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
They aren't.

BLM: "Black Lives Matter is a decentralized political and social movement advocating for non-violent civil disobedience in protest against incidents of police brutality and all racially motivated violence against black people"

Political party: "In politics, a political party is an organized group of people who have the same ideology, or who otherwise have the same political positions, and who field candidates for elections, in an attempt to get them elected and thereby implement their agenda."

BLM is not a single party or organized group.
I agree - perhaps confusing a community benefit society with a political party...? https://www.fca.org.uk/firms/registered-societies-...
https://www.civilsociety.co.uk/news/black-lives-ma...

swisstoni

17,039 posts

280 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Thanks for the advice on how to think.

I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.

nickfrog

21,194 posts

218 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
But BLM are a political party. There’s no getting away from it.
It's a phrase first and foremost.

As you said, ignorants can politicise stuff.

You can be a conservative without being a member of the Conservative Party.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
Thanks for the advice on how to think.

I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand non-binary thought processes.

At least it's helped me mark you down as either a troll or beyond help, so I'll be sure to ignore you in future.

swisstoni

17,039 posts

280 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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C70R said:
swisstoni said:
Thanks for the advice on how to think.

I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
Thanks for confirming that you don't understand non-binary thought processes.

At least it's helped me mark you down as either a troll or beyond help, so I'll be sure to ignore you in future.
Oh classic C70 there hehe

HustleRussell

24,724 posts

161 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.

C70R

17,596 posts

105 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
Because it's "politics innit".

The (wilful?) lack of critical thinking in this thread is more befitting a class of primary school children than adults.

nickfrog

21,194 posts

218 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
Because of the high risk of far right groups infiltrating the event...apparently.

Bo_apex

2,568 posts

219 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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nickfrog said:
HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
Because of the high risk of far right groups infiltrating the event...apparently.
Or far left groups

There is no end.....

The Moose

22,867 posts

210 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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HustleRussell said:
Still yet to see a single explanation for how taking the knee before the race, the 'we race as one' message, and some slogans printed on the masks of some of the drivers tangibly diminishes ones ability to enjoy a motor race.
My view is that racism is fundamentally a moral issue, not political. However politicians have turned moral issues into political issues (generally) to try to divide and conquer.

This hugely blurs the line between calling something moral or political. You then take something like racism and one political party start to talk about it and what is fundamentally a moral issue becomes “political” due to the ever increasing tribal-ness (yes, I know!) of politics in general.

Muzzer79

10,046 posts

188 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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swisstoni said:
Thanks for the advice on how to think.

I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
So you'd have stopped this from happening then?




Bo_apex

2,568 posts

219 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
swisstoni said:
Thanks for the advice on how to think.

I’d just prefer that sports awards ceremonies don’t become a political events generally.
So you'd have stopped this from happening then?



A political prisoner handing out an award ?

A worthwhile exception I think.