Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[RammyMP]

768 said:

Looked more clumsy to me than a deliberate effort.

Wouldn't normally side with Horner but I can see why he's so aggrieved.

I agree with the clumsy but to me a racing incident.

Horner wanted Lewis to drop points too, he was looking after his interests.

…meanwhile, Bottas nowhere near the same pace, with Lewis getting the penalty the race was his for the taking.

[anonymous-user]

RammyMP said:

768 said:

Looked more clumsy to me than a deliberate effort.

Wouldn't normally side with Horner but I can see why he's so aggrieved.

I agree with the clumsy but to me a racing incident.

Horner wanted Lewis to drop points too, he was looking after his interests.

…meanwhile, Bottas nowhere near the same pace, with Lewis getting the penalty the race was his for the taking.

Bottas is doing what he is told. It's how he will get to race for Mercedes in 2022. Can't have Lewis challenged.

[sc0tt]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

sc0tt said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

sc0tt said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Hamilton finally exposed.

Worse than Schumacher for taking out a driver at over 180 mph.

Disgrace.

Even brundle called it a racing incident.

Go outside and enjoy the sun rather than raging in here.

What do you expect from Sky?

Being called a racist by mattikake in the F1 race form I really hope he comes here.

He should be reported.

Oh.

Seriously go outside and enjoy the nice weather rather than getting your knickers in a twist. It makes you look a bit... sad.

What I find sad is Hamilton fans accepting their hero taking out another driver when they have cried so much about others in the past.

But love is blind.

Ok jim. Enjoy frothing at the mouth.

[nickfrog]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Hamilton finally exposed.

Worse than Schumacher for taking out a driver at over 180 mph.

Disgrace.

It looked like racing to me. He had a strong run on Max who left a gap bigger than a car on the inside. What would you have done? Lift just in case? You might be new to motorsport but I have seen dozens of similar moves at that very corner.

Watching F1 doesn't sound like a very healthy past time of yours. You sound very emotional and irrational.

[RammyMP]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

RammyMP said:

768 said:

Looked more clumsy to me than a deliberate effort.

Wouldn't normally side with Horner but I can see why he's so aggrieved.

I agree with the clumsy but to me a racing incident.

Horner wanted Lewis to drop points too, he was looking after his interests.

…meanwhile, Bottas nowhere near the same pace, with Lewis getting the penalty the race was his for the taking.

Bottas is doing what he is told. It's how he will get to race for Mercedes in 2022. Can't have Lewis challenged.

I get that but he finished over 20 seconds behind Hamilton if you add on the penalty.

[andburg]

I saw it as 60:40

Hamilton made the corner, not the apex as he slid slightly wider but max was trying to pinch in rather than play safe.

I think max convinced himself Hamilton would back out and was trying to cut across the front of him, disturb his exit, after all as DC and Horner stated…you don’t overtake there. Makes it about the only place you’ll get past somebody who is as fast and aggressive as max.

[Mark V GTD]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Bottas is doing what he is told. It's how he will get to race for Mercedes in 2022. Can't have Lewis challenged.

Indeed - or perhaps more accurate to say 'can't have LH challenged by someone in his own team'. They have been there before five years ago.

[Burwood]

andburg said:

I saw it as 60:40

Hamilton made the corner, not the apex as he slid slightly wider but max was trying to pinch in rather than play safe.

I think max convinced himself Hamilton would back out and was trying to cut across the front of him, disturb his exit, after all as DC and Horner stated…you don’t overtake there. Makes it about the only place you’ll get past somebody who is as fast and aggressive as max.

What do I know but i see it as MV's fault entirely.

[MarkwG]

Burwood said:

andburg said:

I saw it as 60:40

Hamilton made the corner, not the apex as he slid slightly wider but max was trying to pinch in rather than play safe.

I think max convinced himself Hamilton would back out and was trying to cut across the front of him, disturb his exit, after all as DC and Horner stated…you don’t overtake there. Makes it about the only place you’ll get past somebody who is as fast and aggressive as max.

What do I know but i see it as MV's fault entirely.

I think there's an element of both: if you don't go for an overtake, what are you there for? If you don't defend an overtake, same applies. However, you also need to weigh the consequences if the other doesn't yield. If you're on the inside, perhaps a damaged wing, maybe a puncture; but on the outside, a puncture & a high speed crash are almost inevitable, & both know that. Verstappen could have opened the steering, he may not have made the corner without some dirt & certainly lost the place, but he wasn't prepared to do that. Hamilton could have backed off (although it likes like he actually did a bit, so perhaps he could have made that call earlier), but he wasn't prepared to do that, either. That's the definition of a racing incident to me, neither was negligent, both aiming to win the corner. To those echoing Horner & Couthards line of "you don't overtake there" - it's not a track day, you can overtake wherever you like, unless the flags say otherwise: you just have to deal with any conseqences.

[M5-911]

andburg said:

I saw it as 60:40

Hamilton made the corner, not the apex as he slid slightly wider but max was trying to pinch in rather than play safe.

I think max convinced himself Hamilton would back out and was trying to cut across the front of him, disturb his exit, after all as DC and Horner stated…you don’t overtake there. Makes it about the only place you’ll get past somebody who is as fast and aggressive as max.

Hamilton overtook 2 drivers at that same corner without any problem. that Verstapen moves reminded me of his attempt to shut the door to Ocon in Brazil.. He lost that one as well.

[jimPH]

M5-911 said:

andburg said:

I saw it as 60:40

Hamilton made the corner, not the apex as he slid slightly wider but max was trying to pinch in rather than play safe.

I think max convinced himself Hamilton would back out and was trying to cut across the front of him, disturb his exit, after all as DC and Horner stated…you don’t overtake there. Makes it about the only place you’ll get past somebody who is as fast and aggressive as max.

Hamilton overtook 2 drivers at that same corner without any problem. that Verstapen moves reminded me of his attempt to shut the door to Ocon in Brazil.. He lost that one as well.

The other drivers yielded, like they usually do when they come across someone reckless.

[vdn]

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Hamilton finally exposed.

Worse than Schumacher for taking out a driver at over 180 mph.

Disgrace.

Haha!!! Knew that move would bring out the losers

[vdn]

It was 50 50. Hamilton could easily have not had any penalty... and I would have seen why. But I equally see why he got the 10 seconds. It was 50 50 and down to who was on on the day.

Horner crying about it being clear cut exposes him as the little sh**e that he is. Not clear cut at all but fair to be a little upset.

[M5-911]

jimPH said:

The other drivers yielded, like they usually do when they come across someone reckless.

interesting as nearly every single drivers rate Hamilton as the cleanest World champion in history.

[vdn]

M5-911 said:

jimPH said:

The other drivers yielded, like they usually do when they come across someone reckless.

interesting as nearly every single drivers rate Hamilton as the cleanest World champion in history.

In fact it's what gives him the edge on Senna and MS for many that have been asked who the GOAT is.

[NRS]

jimPH said:

M5-911 said:

andburg said:

I saw it as 60:40

Hamilton made the corner, not the apex as he slid slightly wider but max was trying to pinch in rather than play safe.

I think max convinced himself Hamilton would back out and was trying to cut across the front of him, disturb his exit, after all as DC and Horner stated…you don’t overtake there. Makes it about the only place you’ll get past somebody who is as fast and aggressive as max.

Hamilton overtook 2 drivers at that same corner without any problem. that Verstapen moves reminded me of his attempt to shut the door to Ocon in Brazil.. He lost that one as well.

The other drivers yielded, like they usually do when they come across someone reckless.

Agreed, Max should have have either gone round the outside or done the switch around. Instead he was reckless and cut across the front of Lewis.

[vdn]

LH has little to lose as Max will walk this championship unless the gloves come off.

Max still looks set to be WDC IMO. But Hamilton has drawn a line in the sand - that Max's aggressive moves won't be tolerated by him. Had to be done.

[Teppic]

vdn said:

It was 50 50. Hamilton could easily have not had any penalty... and I would have seen why. But I equally see why he got the 10 seconds. It was 50 50 and down to who was on on the day.

Horner crying about it being clear cut exposes him as the little sh**e that he is. Not clear cut at all but fair to be a little upset.

Yet if the roles had been reversed Horner would have said, “Meh, racing incident”.

[vdn]

Teppic said:

vdn said:

It was 50 50. Hamilton could easily have not had any penalty... and I would have seen why. But I equally see why he got the 10 seconds. It was 50 50 and down to who was on on the day.

Horner crying about it being clear cut exposes him as the little sh**e that he is. Not clear cut at all but fair to be a little upset.

Yet if the roles had been reversed Horner would have said, “Meh, racing incident”.

Exactly. Horner is such a hypocrite. It's his thing.

[NextSlidePlease]

I reckon that crash was inevitable, the tight line that Lewis gave himself after squeezing it up the inside, if he didn't yield he was going into him. He didn't yield. Verstappen gave space and didn't pinch him either. It was coming though the way those 2 go at each other at the start of each race.

Takes away from the belting drive after that for me.