Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)
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Russel is a tough one for me, there’s no doubt he has something, but my jury’s still out as to how much “something” he has
He’s bottled it a few times at the sniff of a point, also he doesn’t put latifi to bed to the extent max has done to more established drivers.
Yes the stats tell a different story, but it’s been quite often the case that latifi hasn’t been all that far behind in race pace, and has actually been the quicker of the two at a couple of races this year, although latifi binned the car during qualifying.
Bahrain 2020 was obviously a very decent showing from him in less than ideal circumstances, would have been more interesting had it been a more normal track though
He’s bottled it a few times at the sniff of a point, also he doesn’t put latifi to bed to the extent max has done to more established drivers.
Yes the stats tell a different story, but it’s been quite often the case that latifi hasn’t been all that far behind in race pace, and has actually been the quicker of the two at a couple of races this year, although latifi binned the car during qualifying.
Bahrain 2020 was obviously a very decent showing from him in less than ideal circumstances, would have been more interesting had it been a more normal track though
nickfrog said:
MustangGT said:
Ignoring Lewis, any one of the following drivers is at least as good as Max:
George R
Lando N
Carlos S
Danny R
Charles L
I don't know. Gasly for me has been as good as them this year but look what happened against Max (I appreciate the circumstances were a bit special and that we will probably never know what actually happened).George R
Lando N
Carlos S
Danny R
Charles L
For me Max as a driver is very special, as in rare raw talent - particularly in the wet, which is always a good test.
I agree, Max is a prodigious talent without a doubt.
He has played a blinder IMO. When he had no car under him in a race he would often get into a collision. He would then offset that wtf moment with a great drive when the opportunity was there.
The above set up a, "beware of MV" situation as he was known to not give a f*ck. Drivers avoid him. As a result, when he goes for a gap, that gap is often a growing one through others self-preservation and knowledge of previous "Max outcomes".
When, in situations such as Silverstone, the "outcome" is not in his favour, Max et al will cry foul that you collide as you should know how aggressive he is and should cede to avoid him....or, in situations such as Monza, that you should know "that's what happens when you don't leave enough space" and the "outcome" is a collision,
It is (and was) a great SETUP! And now he reaps...
He has played a blinder IMO. When he had no car under him in a race he would often get into a collision. He would then offset that wtf moment with a great drive when the opportunity was there.
The above set up a, "beware of MV" situation as he was known to not give a f*ck. Drivers avoid him. As a result, when he goes for a gap, that gap is often a growing one through others self-preservation and knowledge of previous "Max outcomes".
When, in situations such as Silverstone, the "outcome" is not in his favour, Max et al will cry foul that you collide as you should know how aggressive he is and should cede to avoid him....or, in situations such as Monza, that you should know "that's what happens when you don't leave enough space" and the "outcome" is a collision,
It is (and was) a great SETUP! And now he reaps...
usn90 said:
MustangGT said:
It all depends on next years cars. If RB have nailed it then quite possibly. I find that highly unlikely since they have thrown everything into this year.
Ignoring Lewis, any one of the following drivers is at least as good as Max:
George R
Lando N
Carlos S
Danny R
Charles L
If any of them has a decent car under the new rules they would be in with a shout.
I can discount 4 of those drivers, Ignoring Lewis, any one of the following drivers is at least as good as Max:
George R
Lando N
Carlos S
Danny R
Charles L
If any of them has a decent car under the new rules they would be in with a shout.
Max was a Match for Danny R from The very first race at Rb, and clearly was the quicker of the two in the later stages.
As for sainz, their brief time at TR shown max to have the upper hand, I specifically remember Austrialia, sainz was
Stuck in a train, max passes sainz then proceeds to immediately overtake the very cars sainz spent an age behind. There Was a good reason RB chose max over sainz for the promotion, also let’s not forget here, that at this point, this was Max’s 2nd year in cars!
And with sainz, we then have a good yardstick for Norris and leclerc, who it seems sainz is a Match for
Edited by usn90 on Monday 6th December 19:29
Using that logic - Mark Webber was faster than Nico Rosberg when they were both at Williams. Rosberg was faster than Schumacher at Mercedes, therefore Webber was a faster driver than Schumacher......
Max was fairly even with Ricciardo in their time together. But a lot has moved on since then. The others, who knows.
usn90 said:
I can discount 4 of those drivers,
Max was a Match for Danny R from The very first race at Rb, and clearly was the quicker of the two in the later stages.
As for sainz, their brief time at TR shown max to have the upper hand, I specifically remember Austrialia, sainz was
Stuck in a train, max passes sainz then proceeds to immediately overtake the very cars sainz spent an age behind. There Was a good reason RB chose max over sainz for the promotion, also let’s not forget here, that at this point, this was Max’s 2nd year in cars!
And with sainz, we then have a good yardstick for Norris and leclerc, who it seems sainz is a Match for
You have to be joking? Danny was clearly ahead of Max at RB until RB announced Max as the new messiah. Following that Danny had 4 mysterious DNFs whilst Max had none. In 2016 for the 4 races at TR Max beat Carlos once, Carlos beat Max once, they each had a DNF. That makes them approximately equal in my book.Max was a Match for Danny R from The very first race at Rb, and clearly was the quicker of the two in the later stages.
As for sainz, their brief time at TR shown max to have the upper hand, I specifically remember Austrialia, sainz was
Stuck in a train, max passes sainz then proceeds to immediately overtake the very cars sainz spent an age behind. There Was a good reason RB chose max over sainz for the promotion, also let’s not forget here, that at this point, this was Max’s 2nd year in cars!
And with sainz, we then have a good yardstick for Norris and leclerc, who it seems sainz is a Match for
Edited by usn90 on Monday 6th December 19:29
usn90 said:
There Was a good reason RB chose max over sainz for the promotion, also let’s not forget here, that at this point, this was Max’s 2nd year in cars!
Whilst you point to Max being able to overtake on the track in his second year as amazing, Lewis won the WDC in his second year after finishing 2nd at his first attempt. Edited by usn90 on Monday 6th December 19:29
Wills2 said:
Whilst you point to Max being able to overtake on the track in his second year as amazing, Lewis won the WDC in his second year after finishing 2nd at his first attempt.
well Lewis started out in a title contending car, the red bull wasn’t quite a contender in Max’s first few years?Wasn’t just his overtaking ability, his pace was exceptional
I’m a Lewis fan first and foremost
MustangGT said:
You have to be joking? Danny was clearly ahead of Max at RB until RB announced Max as the new messiah. Following that Danny had 4 mysterious DNFs whilst Max had none. In 2016 for the 4 races at TR Max beat Carlos once, Carlos beat Max once, they each had a DNF. That makes them approximately equal in my book.
There’s no chance max and Danny were equal, it was clear max had not only the pace on him, but also the ability to move through the field. And as for the wet, I still remember dans “steamy visor” at Brazil….Dan was however , Max’s closest teammate
usn90 said:
MustangGT said:
You have to be joking? Danny was clearly ahead of Max at RB until RB announced Max as the new messiah. Following that Danny had 4 mysterious DNFs whilst Max had none. In 2016 for the 4 races at TR Max beat Carlos once, Carlos beat Max once, they each had a DNF. That makes them approximately equal in my book.
There’s no chance max and Danny were equal, it was clear max had not only the pace on him, but also the ability to move through the field. And as for the wet, I still remember dans “steamy visor” at Brazil….Dan was however , Max’s closest teammate
Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 7th December 19:29
Graveworm said:
usn90 said:
MustangGT said:
You have to be joking? Danny was clearly ahead of Max at RB until RB announced Max as the new messiah. Following that Danny had 4 mysterious DNFs whilst Max had none. In 2016 for the 4 races at TR Max beat Carlos once, Carlos beat Max once, they each had a DNF. That makes them approximately equal in my book.
There’s no chance max and Danny were equal, it was clear max had not only the pace on him, but also the ability to move through the field. And as for the wet, I still remember dans “steamy visor” at Brazil….Dan was however , Max’s closest teammate
Edited by Graveworm on Tuesday 7th December 19:29
usn90 said:
well Lewis started out in a title contending car, the red bull wasn’t quite a contender in Max’s first few years?
Maybe he did, but he beat his team-mate the "superstar" Alonso in his first season. 
Anyway this is a thread about Lewis so can't we have a bit less about Madmax on it - there is another thread for him!
Just launched: Lewis Hamilton teaches a winning mentality on Masterclass
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/lewis-hamilton...
I love Masterclass. I think it's one of the best subscriber resources on the internet and think this one will be good.
I guess he's hoping Max doesn't watch it before Sunday
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/lewis-hamilton...
I love Masterclass. I think it's one of the best subscriber resources on the internet and think this one will be good.
I guess he's hoping Max doesn't watch it before Sunday
usn90 said:
Wills2 said:
Whilst you point to Max being able to overtake on the track in his second year as amazing, Lewis won the WDC in his second year after finishing 2nd at his first attempt.
well Lewis started out in a title contending car, the red bull wasn’t quite a contender in Max’s first few years?Wasn’t just his overtaking ability, his pace was exceptional
I’m a Lewis fan first and foremost
Wills2 said:
He was in a in very good car but look who was sat in the other one, one of the best racers ever, to match Alonso on points and beat him on the count back in your first F1 season is an outstanding achievement, I think with Lewis people are bored of him winning and forget just how good the guy is.
Not me.as I’ve mentioned I’m a Lewis fan and will be on edge this weekend hoping he breaks the record.
usn90 said:
Wills2 said:
He was in a in very good car but look who was sat in the other one, one of the best racers ever, to match Alonso on points and beat him on the count back in your first F1 season is an outstanding achievement, I think with Lewis people are bored of him winning and forget just how good the guy is.
Not me.as I’ve mentioned I’m a Lewis fan and will be on edge this weekend hoping he breaks the record.
Wills2 said:
No your other post proved it (Lewis fan or not), you mentioned Max's amazing achievements yet in comparison they pale into nothing compared to Lewis's hence my post above.
No, you’ve misunderstood me somewhatThe post your referring to was in relation to Lewis only taking 2 season to gain the title, not exactly an equal comparison to max given the machinery.
Lewis could very easily be searching for his 10th title tommorow, 11th if you count 2012 where it was McLaren who let him down, as he was the best driver that year
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