Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[Blue62]

RB Will said:

Fangio has 5 mate

My mistake, I read it as reference to Lewis!

[TP321]

paulguitar said:

Apparently, the team managers don't know it, and nor do the current and ex drivers.

Of course, you know better than them though.

Ok LH fanboys...the only reason why Max is not in a Merc is because they don’t want anyone who could actually challenge LH like Nico did to a lesser extent but still managed to take a Championship off him.

So we are left to watching a procession, and LH “smashing” records...zzzzzzzz

[TheDeuce]

TP321 said:

Ok LH fanboys...the only reason why Max is not in a Merc is because they don’t want anyone who could actually challenge LH like Nico did to a lesser extent but still managed to take a Championship off him.

So we are left to watching a procession, and LH “smashing” records...zzzzzzzz

What's wrong with that though? It's a team sport... How can a team expect to win if two drivers are locked in battle rather than engaging the rest of the field in battle?

If you ran Mercedes F1 and your reputation and salary depended on championship results you'd make the same choice - it's the obvious choice.

Lewis got in to best team he could. Max got in to the best team he could - all totally fair.

[paulguitar]

TP321 said:

Ok LH fanboys...the only reason why Max is not in a Merc is because they don’t want anyone who could actually challenge LH like Nico did to a lesser extent but still managed to take a Championship off him.

So we are left to watching a procession, and LH “smashing” records...zzzzzzzz

Can you please explain why Hamilton is repeatedly (anonymously) rated as the best F1 driver by the team managers and other drivers every year?

Thanks in advance.

Edited by paulguitar on Sunday 2nd August 21:35

[Europa1]

TP321 said:

Ok LH fanboys...the only reason why Max is not in a Merc is because they don’t want anyone who could actually challenge LH like Nico did to a lesser extent but still managed to take a Championship off him.

So we are left to watching a procession, and LH “smashing” records...zzzzzzzz

So the only reason Red Bull prodigy Max Verstappen is in a Red Bull is because Mercedes don't want him. Got you.

[crankedup]

I switched to enjoying Moto GP ten years back, racing at its best.

[Derek Smith]

paulguitar said:

Apparently, the team managers don't know it, and nor do the current and ex drivers.

Of course, you know better than them though.

And you know better than to engage with that poster.

[paulguitar]

Derek Smith said:

And you know better than to engage with that poster.

You're so right

[Blue62]

paulguitar said:

Can you please explain why Hamilton is repeatedly (anonymously) rated as the best F1 driver by the team managers and other drivers every year?

Thanks in advance.

Edited by paulguitar on Sunday 2nd August 21:35

Some of us allow our personal prejudices to interfere with our judgement, it’s human nature. I happen to think he would master Max at the moment, but it’s conjecture. Hamilton is right up there whatever his detractors think, extraordinary talent combined with exceptional fortitude and commitment. He is one of a very small and select group.

[paulw123]

TheDeuce said:

TP321 said:

Ok LH fanboys...the only reason why Max is not in a Merc is because they don’t want anyone who could actually challenge LH like Nico did to a lesser extent but still managed to take a Championship off him.

So we are left to watching a procession, and LH “smashing” records...zzzzzzzz

What's wrong with that though? It's a team sport... How can a team expect to win if two drivers are locked in battle rather than engaging the rest of the field in battle?

If you ran Mercedes F1 and your reputation and salary depended on championship results you'd make the same choice - it's the obvious choice.

Lewis got in to best team he could. Max got in to the best team he could - all totally fair.

Why would Toto want another 2016 on his hands to get a 1-2 WDC crown and a constructors crown when he can easily do it with Ham and Bottas. Today would have been an easy Merc 1-2 if both drivers had held station And managed their tyres rather than push each other all the way.

[C70R]

paulguitar said:

Derek Smith said:

And you know better than to engage with that poster.

You're so right

Just laugh when you read the posts, as I do.

I'm no Hamilton 'fanboy' (a silly word, used by purile antagonists), but I can't imagine how sad and empty a life would have to be to come rushing to an internet forum to make hundreds of posts taunting strangers about a sportsman that they support.

Think about the dozens of other things they could be doing to improve their lives, but instead they see this as a good use of their time.

And that's the bit that makes me laugh.

[DeltonaS]

paulguitar said:

TP321 said:

Max would destroy him in the same car...

Max is clearly a great talent, but saying Max would 'destroy' Hamilton is the same car demonstrates a significant ignorance and lack of understanding of the sport.

Classic; the "Le Connaisseur" argument.

But no, it just demonstrates a significant bias.

paulguitar said:

People who work in F1, rather than anonymous internet keyboard warriors, are fully aware of Hamilton's abilities. That's also why he has consistently ranked the number one driver by the team managers, year after year.

Hamilton has been an astonishing talent since he was in cadet karts. Everyone on the sport knew it from back then, and he's now homing in on pretty much every record in the book.

Hamilton is ranked No,1 because he's in the best car first and foremost, he won the WDC multiple times in the hybrid era. Historically seen an unprecedented era, Between 2009 and 2013, 5 years in a row, he didn't mange to get into the top 3 once. Back then Vettel was the chosen one.

It's clear that Lucky Lewis is taking full advantage of the situation, Schumachers record, considered pretty much unbreakable is broken thanks to the hybrid era.

Hamilton was 22 when he entered F1, Max was 17 and still is only 22. Max broke records Hamilton never reached. And if it wasn't for the hybrid era, Max would've been world champion already.

[Murph7355]

DeltonaS said:

Hamilton is ranked No,1 because he's in the best car first and foremost, he won the WDC multiple times in the hybrid era. Historically seen an unprecedented era, Between 2009 and 2013, 5 years in a row, he didn't mange to get into the top 3 once. Back then Vettel was the chosen one.

It's clear that Lucky Lewis is taking full advantage of the situation, Schumachers record, considered pretty much unbreakable is broken thanks to the hybrid era.

Hamilton was 22 when he entered F1, Max was 17 and still is only 22. Max broke records Hamilton never reached. And if it wasn't for the hybrid era, Max would've been world champion already.

How does the power train impact anything? All drivers drive cars subject to the same rules. It's always been this way.

As has the best drivers typically (though not always) being in the best cars. Including Schumacher. Including Vettel. etc. How "accidental" or "lucky" that is is more subjective

Oh, and as had teams being very careful about who the driver line up is. Not as amusing as it was back in the Senna/Prost years, but all of these things are part of the sport.

Hamilton can be a proper tit sometimes. But he's a proper racer. Just look at that pole lap for this GP. To argue he isn't up there is churlish and I suspect likely more an opinion on him as a person rather than as an F1 driver

[paulguitar]

DeltonaS said:

Hamilton is ranked No,1 because he's in the best car first and foremosty.

Try again, the ranking is based on driver performance, not car performance.

Some questions for you, Deltona:

1. Why was Hamilton clearly better than the opposition in all junior formulae?

2. Why do the team managers, current drivers, and former drivers consistently rate Hamilton as the best?

3. Why does Mercedes keep Hamilton on as the highest salaried driver? Why not just employ someone else, for a load less money?

[Murph7355]

paulguitar said:

DeltonaS said:

Hamilton is ranked No,1 because he's in the best car first and foremosty.

Try again, the ranking is based on driver performance, not car performance.

Some questions for you, Deltona:

1. Why was Hamilton clearly better than the opposition in all junior formulae?

2. Why do the team managers, current drivers, and former drivers consistently rate Hamilton as the best?

3. Why does Mercedes keep Hamilton on as the highest salaried driver? Why not just employ someone else, for a load less money?

None of it matters - DeltonaS is simply very partisan. And why not, I suspect we all are to differing degrees. And The Netherlands is a great place.

This country's just a lot better when it comes to F1

[F1GTRUeno]

DeltonaS said:

Hamilton is ranked No,1 because he's in the best car first and foremost, he won the WDC multiple times in the hybrid era. Historically seen an unprecedented era, Between 2009 and 2013, 5 years in a row, he didn't mange to get into the top 3 once. Back then Vettel was the chosen one.

It's clear that Lucky Lewis is taking full advantage of the situation, Schumachers record, considered pretty much unbreakable is broken thanks to the hybrid era.

Hamilton was 22 when he entered F1, Max was 17 and still is only 22. Max broke records Hamilton never reached. And if it wasn't for the hybrid era, Max would've been world champion already.

If it wasn't for the hybrid era Vettel would've broken the record because the regulations suited him and he had the best package. Between 2009 and 2013 Lewis was in the best car for about half a season (early 2012) and that's it, every other season the McLaren or the 2013 Mercedes was nowhere near as good as the Red Bull, much like now nobody is anywhere near Mercedes, much like nobody was ever near Ferrari when Schumacher dominated. I know you know this.

Would Max be beating Seb in a car specifically tailored to Seb's 4 in a row peak? No.

And crucially, at 22, Hamilton was fighting for the WDC in his first season in F1. Max is nowhere near is he? He's demonstrated that he's quick to a fine degree but Lewis still produces so many moments over a season of otherworldly brilliance that even in the same car he'd beat Max. We're watching history and it's hard to appreciate in the moment but honestly even his biggest haters know deep down Hamilton is that damn good. Best ever levels of good or certainly hugely in the argument, Max isn't.

[Mr Tidy]

F1GTRUeno said:

If it wasn't for the hybrid era Vettel would've broken the record because the regulations suited him and he had the best package. Between 2009 and 2013 Lewis was in the best car for about half a season (early 2012) and that's it, every other season the McLaren or the 2013 Mercedes was nowhere near as good as the Red Bull, much like now nobody is anywhere near Mercedes, much like nobody was ever near Ferrari when Schumacher dominated. I know you know this.

Would Max be beating Seb in a car specifically tailored to Seb's 4 in a row peak? No.

And crucially, at 22, Hamilton was fighting for the WDC in his first season in F1. Max is nowhere near is he? He's demonstrated that he's quick to a fine degree but Lewis still produces so many moments over a season of otherworldly brilliance that even in the same car he'd beat Max. We're watching history and it's hard to appreciate in the moment but honestly even his biggest haters know deep down Hamilton is that damn good. Best ever levels of good or certainly hugely in the argument, Max isn't.

Nicely put - Vettel doesn't seem to be able to cope with a car that isn't a potential winner!

And Max is just fighting for scraps! Maybe not from ability, but definitely due to car performance (or lack of).

[Nampahc Niloc]

I don’t understand all these people who make out that Hamilton isn’t anything special because he’s got the best car, but don’t apply that logic to anyone else throughout history.

[Str6mik]

Doesn’t strolls performance in last years merc rather put Hamilton’s performance into some sort of perspective?

If you look at the relative net gains of the cars - yoy, last years merc should be still right up there.

We’ve consistently heard anyone would be able to win in a merc - why aren’t they?

[Hamsterdam]

Str6mik said:

Doesn’t strolls performance in last years merc rather put Hamilton’s performance into some sort of perspective?

If you look at the relative net gains of the cars - yoy, last years merc should be still right up there.

We’ve consistently heard anyone would be able to win in a merc - why aren’t they?

Because Stroll isn’t actually driving last years Merc?