Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[carlo996]

MarkwG said:

I'm not pigeon holing you at all: I'm asking questions to ascertain why you hold the views you seem to, You're now holding up a dislike of Vettel as justification, yet until someone mentions him, not a word - so all F1 drivers are hypocrites, then? All sportsmen & women? Where's your line in the sand?
I don't expect everyone to be a fan of his, even my own son isn't a fan - but that's because he supports another driver, not because he doesn't "like" Hamilton. He doesn't write on threads about why Hamilton is such a bad person. Why is your approach different?

What is so hard to understand? Hamilton isn’t my favourite driver, for all the reasons already stated. I don’t like his preachy comments and hypocrisy.

[HighwayStar]

carlo996 said:

MarkwG said:

I'm not pigeon holing you at all: I'm asking questions to ascertain why you hold the views you seem to, You're now holding up a dislike of Vettel as justification, yet until someone mentions him, not a word - so all F1 drivers are hypocrites, then? All sportsmen & women? Where's your line in the sand?
I don't expect everyone to be a fan of his, even my own son isn't a fan - but that's because he supports another driver, not because he doesn't "like" Hamilton. He doesn't write on threads about why Hamilton is such a bad person. Why is your approach different?

What is so hard to understand? Hamilton isn’t my favourite driver, for all the reasons already stated. I don’t like his preachy comments and hypocrisy.

I’ve no problem with you not liking him… it was pretty clear you don’t. What I don’t under is why in most of your posts you have to have a dig at Hamilton… comes across as obsessive and childish to my mind.

[carlo996]

HighwayStar said:

I’ve no problem with you not liking him… it was pretty clear you don’t. What I don’t under is why in most of your posts you have to have a dig at Hamilton… comes across as obsessive and childish to my mind.

As are those blindly defending the things which he’s said and done to my mind. That’s the thing with opinions isn’t it?

[thiscocks]

HTP99 said:

GingerMunky said:

thiscocks said:

Hamilton has had plenty of luck with safety cars ect in the past so it's probably due.

If Russell beats him again next year then I wonder how much longer he will stay in F1?

Russell beat Lewis even with the latent support and preference given to their number 1 driver Lewis. This makes it all the more impressive George out pointing Lewis by a decent margin. No one has come close to Lewis, just like no one has come close to Max, until now. If Lewis was the GOAT he should have been well ahead of George this year as George is adapting to and learning the car.

During the 1st half of the season, Lewis was running odd and extreme set ups to help the team work out what was up with the car, hence why this season hasn't been as good as Georges on paper, when the car was running well and set up correctly Lewis was faster.

You mean set up correctly as George had it!? There wasn't an 'ideal' consistent set up for the car pretty much all season, that was the issue. They both had the same new car and both went different ways with set ups that they prefer as per all team mates in the history of F1. Both cars suffered massively with porpoising early in the year, and both have had different aero and mechanical set ups for pretty much every race, including Brazil. Both drivers were trying different set ups all year to try and get over the issues with the car and also working well together to try and find good set ups. To say only Hamilton was the looser out of the car design early in the year is just rubbish.

[MustangGT]

carlo996 said:

paulguitar said:

Weird that those would be considered a reason not to like someone. He promotes racial and sexual equality too, another character flaw?

Well, when he talks of the environment, but earns his living burning more resources than most? Or his 'ignorant moment' regarding his Nephew? His 'interesting' tax history, he's just too preachy for me. The animal welfare thing is a bit rich as well PETA went after him after he posed with tiger cubs....For me he's a total hypocrite, and uses these 'causes' for nothing more than to blow up his social media numbers to a bunch of brain dead followers.

Callum Hoare said:

Loads of waffle

I am surprised you quote someone as seriously misinformed as this. When you consider how much F1 has done to improve road car 'green-ness' it really should be considered that F1 is more than carbon-neutral. Also that F1 is going to be totally carbon-neutral in, and of itself, very shortly.

Now, on to Lewis. Burning more than most? I seriously doubt it. He uses electric cars wherever possible, flies on scheduled aircraft etc.

Regarding the nephew, perhaps a bit ignorant, but no more so than many other people would think.

Interesting tax situation? Oh yes, very interesting. Pays more tax in the UK than 95% of UK tax payers, more than Amazon for example. Plus, he also pays a lot of tax in many more countries around the world.

Animal welfare? I have been filmed sharing a cage with Tessa, the tiger from Esso adverts in the last millennium. Nobody called me out over it He also donates a lot of money to various charitable causes, some animal welfare ones included.

I do not do social media such as twitter, FB or Instagram so have no idea what is on there.

However, I do know that he has donated millions to promote equality in racing, with the joint-venture with MB to promote motor sport careers for the underdogs. He also spends a lot of time in 3rd world countries supporting charitable causes to benefit the poor.

To me, he is an excellent example of somebody using their fame to improve the lot of less well-off people around the world.

How he chooses to dress, or what he chooses to eat, is totally irrelevant to me.

[HighwayStar]

carlo996 said:

HighwayStar said:

I’ve no problem with you not liking him… it was pretty clear you don’t. What I don’t under is why in most of your posts you have to have a dig at Hamilton… comes across as obsessive and childish to my mind.

As are those blindly defending the things which he’s said and done to my mind. That’s the thing with opinions isn’t it?

Why do you care if others defend the things he does? It just means they don’t care what he does outside of racing. Do they have to share your view?
I read in these threads folk ignoring RedBull/Horner/Max BS, inconsistent application of the rules as long as Max/RedBull win. You’ll be familiar with that stance. I can’t get my head around that and when asked in a reasonable why it goes unanswered or they/you will come back with it’s a question from Hamilton loving, Max/RedBull/Dutch haters. A presumptive sweeping statement used to basically swerve the question rather than enter debate.

[Vanity Projects]

carlo996 said:

HighwayStar said:

I’ve no problem with you not liking him… it was pretty clear you don’t. What I don’t under is why in most of your posts you have to have a dig at Hamilton… comes across as obsessive and childish to my mind.

As are those blindly defending the things which he’s said and done to my mind. That’s the thing with opinions isn’t it?

Get a room and go fk off into it already the pair of you.

I think if anything the amount of resilience Hamilton showed in even getting back in the car and surrendering to the mercy of the FIA fknuggets for another season was impressive.

Even so, Hamilton had a very tough season but still acquitted himself well, not stellar on the outside but none of us really know how hard they're pedalling underneath to keep that ugly duckling of a Merc above water.

George did incredibly well and glad that the promise he showed first time in a Mercedes, where I think he got about as much bad luck as you could get in one race, has come to fruition. I doubt the standings mean Hamilton is over the hill yet - In the same way that Button outscoring him one season or Nico doing the same, didn't 'mentally break him'.

A bit less bad luck with the safety car, a few less duff calls and who knows how it would turn out, looking forward to next year.

[paulguitar]

thiscocks said:

To say only Hamilton was the looser out of the car design early in the year is just rubbish.

• Loser.

Actually, he was exactly that, unless various different team engineers have repeatedly lied. Hamilton ran extreme setups and even carried sensors on his car in the early race weekends. Quite a lot of info is available from team debriefs on youtube etc.

[HighwayStar]

Vanity Projects said:

carlo996 said:

HighwayStar said:

I’ve no problem with you not liking him… it was pretty clear you don’t. What I don’t under is why in most of your posts you have to have a dig at Hamilton… comes across as obsessive and childish to my mind.

As are those blindly defending the things which he’s said and done to my mind. That’s the thing with opinions isn’t it?

Get a room and go fk off into it already the pair of you.

I think if anything the amount of resilience Hamilton showed in even getting back in the car and surrendering to the mercy of the FIA fknuggets for another season was impressive.

Even so, Hamilton had a very tough season but still acquitted himself well, not stellar on the outside but none of us really know how hard they're pedalling underneath to keep that ugly duckling of a Merc above water.

George did incredibly well and glad that the promise he showed first time in a Mercedes, where I think he got about as much bad luck as you could get in one race, has come to fruition. I doubt the standings mean Hamilton is over the hill yet - In the same way that Button outscoring him one season or Nico doing the same, didn't 'mentally break him'.

A bit less bad luck with the safety car, a few less duff calls and who knows how it would turn out, looking forward to next year.

Wow. What’s upset you so much fella?
As for the rest of your post, I totally agree.

[MarkwG]

carlo996 said:

MarkwG said:

I'm not pigeon holing you at all: I'm asking questions to ascertain why you hold the views you seem to, You're now holding up a dislike of Vettel as justification, yet until someone mentions him, not a word - so all F1 drivers are hypocrites, then? All sportsmen & women? Where's your line in the sand?
I don't expect everyone to be a fan of his, even my own son isn't a fan - but that's because he supports another driver, not because he doesn't "like" Hamilton. He doesn't write on threads about why Hamilton is such a bad person. Why is your approach different?

What is so hard to understand? Hamilton isn’t my favourite driver, for all the reasons already stated. I don’t like his preachy comments and hypocrisy.

He isn't "your favourite"? Yet he seems to be the only one you post about, though. You don't like his "preachy comments" & "hypocrisy"? Is that all, that's pretty lame for the amount of effort you go to. That's up to you of course, your life choices, but most of the others on here are talking about his race craft & driving, rather than getting their pants knotted about something he may or may not have done or said years ago. You know you can just ignore his comments, like you do for the other 19 drivers?

[thiscocks]

paulguitar said:

thiscocks said:

To say only Hamilton was the looser out of the car design early in the year is just rubbish.

• Loser.

Actually, he was exactly that, unless various different team engineers have repeatedly lied. Hamilton ran extreme setups and even carried sensors on his car in the early race weekends. Quite a lot of info is available from team debriefs on youtube etc.

I've read plenty, mainly from Andrew Shovlin which explains their set ups have been not too dissimilar and any big changes were applied to both cars such as at Baku. Russell has said their set ups weren't too far apart from before Canada. Both drivers were struggling with set ups from the word go.

[oyster]

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

[nickfrog]

thiscocks said:

To say only Hamilton was the looser out of the car design early in the year is just rubbish.

Not at all. It makes an awful lot of sense. The team will not want to take the same high risk with both cars and went conservative with one of them. A classic risk mitigation strategy.

[Dingu]

Good to see this is full of frothing middle aged losers as usual!

[paulguitar]

oyster said:

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

I admire all of the drivers enormously, but definitely prefer some to others. I think the whole Hamilton story is inspiring, really the sort of thing you might see in a film. It's been great fun to watch his whole career, all the way back to when he started out in Cadet Karts.

[HustleRussell]

oyster said:

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

If you’re a fan of music, how can you dislike Liam Gallagher, or Morrissey?

[RB Will]

paulguitar said:

Mercedes doesn't have a number one driver and never has. (Well, not since 1955, anyway!)
.

Hmm maybe not contractually, Bottas was asked to screw himself for Hamilton’s gain so much it became a running meme.

[paulguitar]

RB Will said:

paulguitar said:

Mercedes doesn't have a number one driver and never has. (Well, not since 1955, anyway!)
.

Hmm maybe not contractually, Bottas was asked to screw himself for Hamilton’s gain so much it became a running meme.

If Bottas had been the better driver of the two, Hamilton would have been expected to do exactly the same.

[LP670]

HustleRussell said:

oyster said:

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

If you’re a fan of music, how can you dislike Liam Gallagher, or Morrissey?

Original statement is quite bizarre isnt it. Oyster should go to the football threads and see the comments made about players of the team they support if he finds this thread odd.

[angrymoby]

RB Will said:

Hmm maybe not contractually, Bottas was asked to screw himself for Hamilton’s gain so much it became a running meme.

do you realise this years WDC table undermines your point somewhat?