Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[Killer2005]

RB Will said:

paulguitar said:

Mercedes doesn't have a number one driver and never has. (Well, not since 1955, anyway!)
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Hmm maybe not contractually, Bottas was asked to screw himself for Hamilton’s gain so much it became a running meme.

Well now you're just making things up

[Muzzer79]

RB Will said:

paulguitar said:

Mercedes doesn't have a number one driver and never has. (Well, not since 1955, anyway!)
.

Hmm maybe not contractually, Bottas was asked to screw himself for Hamilton’s gain so much it became a running meme.

Yeah, I’m going to need some examples of this “screwing himself”, outside of occasions where Hamilton was clearly in a championship battle and any team-mate would be expected to compromise their strategy to help him.

[thiscocks]

nickfrog said:

thiscocks said:

To say only Hamilton was the looser out of the car design early in the year is just rubbish.

Not at all. It makes an awful lot of sense. The team will not want to take the same high risk with both cars and went conservative with one of them. A classic risk mitigation strategy.

For a start, with a relatively flawed car like the merc this season there will be no ‘conservative’ set up, particularly as it’s a new car designed for a new set of rules with many unknowns. If Merc wanted to simply test random ideas which they had no idea whether they would work then they usually went with it in free practice and reverted if not working. Neither driver knowingly sacrificed qualifying or a race with a completely unknown set up. Both drivers were just going down slightly different routes with set up practically all year. There is rarely a ‘correct’ set up for a car as normally team mates will prefer different car characteristics.

For instance Bottas wasn’t as comfortable with the base set up of the Merc as Hamilton as it had been developed around Hamiltons driving style. With the 2022 car it was probably slightly beneficial for Russell that there was effectively ‘reset’ in terms of a base set up.

Regarding new parts, invariably Hamilton got the updates first if there was only one available and rightly so. For instance in Austria he got the only available new rear wing after both cars were rebuilt. In this case they say it improved the car and helped him in the race. A lot of updates and radical set ups didn’t work but invariably these were on both cars.

[RB Will]

Is that not what we are talking about?











And on and on. Presumably these are not based on things that never happened?

[TriumphStag3.0V8]

So amusing how the Redbull fanbois hate Hamilton, letting him live rent free in their heads.

Still, when their guy is a tarnished racer with huge question marks over both his titles it's understandable that they are grouchy.

[paulguitar]

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?











And on and on. Presumably these are not based on things that never happened?

The Merc team lets their drivers race. We've seen exactly that this season, We saw it repeatedly with Lewis and Nico. We saw it yesterday, FFS!


Of course, from time to time, if a WDC is on the line, common sense has prevailed and one driver will be asked to act in the interests of the team. To not do this would be patently stupid. But let's not pretend for a moment that Merc is anything like Schumacher-era Ferrari or any era Red Bull. Because that would be bks.

[Killer2005]

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

Dribble

Presumably you're OK with Checo being asked to move over for Max then?

[jm doc]

Killer2005 said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

Dribble

Presumably you're OK with Checo being asked to move over for Max then?

In his universe this never happened.

[ch37]

Auslander said:

Vettel doesn't do it whilst standing atop his private jet with an entourage of ostentatious rap stars in tow.

Not sure why I subjected myself to several pages of this thread, but wow, just wow.

By 'rap stars' you are presumably referring to the Olympic medalist fencer and the music producer Lewis is most frequently seen with?

But, er, it's not about race, right?

[Vanity Projects]

HighwayStar said:

Wow. What’s upset you so much fella?
As for the rest of your post, I totally agree.

Nothing at all, just thought wild vitriol was an entry requirement for this thread

[F1GTRUeno]

Auslander said:

My cockwomble of the day is Joe Lycett. But I guess I'll now be accused of homophobia?

Oh this should be good, why is Joe Lycett a cockwomble? (and not David Beckham?)

Given how intimiately Lycett has currently linked himself to the LGBT cause versus whoring himself out for oil money then what's he done to make you think he's a cockwomble?

[F1GTRUeno]

ch37 said:

Auslander said:

Vettel doesn't do it whilst standing atop his private jet with an entourage of ostentatious rap stars in tow.

Not sure why I subjected myself to several pages of this thread, but wow, just wow.

By 'rap stars' you are presumably referring to the Olympic medalist fencer and the music producer Lewis is most frequently seen with?

But, er, it's not about race, right?

Interesting that he could've stopped at the priivate jet comment, which, albeit outdated, is a fairly valid criticism to throw at pre-getting rid of said jet-Lewis.

But then he added in the real bile about thhe ostentatious rap stars.

Inferrence and tone come across so well when people reveal the real target.

[NRS]

paulguitar said:

The Merc team lets their drivers race. We've seen exactly that this season, We saw it repeatedly with Lewis and Nico. We saw it yesterday, FFS!


Of course, from time to time, if a WDC is on the line, common sense has prevailed and one driver will be asked to act in the interests of the team. To not do this would be patently stupid. But let's not pretend for a moment that Merc is anything like Schumacher-era Ferrari or any era Red Bull. Because that would be bks.

RB compromise their second driver so much they've never had a 1-2 in the WDC, instead of letting driver 2 give way to the first one they'll just put them on insane long stints and the link just to help the first driver out - and basically from the start of the season too. I think it was race 2 they already messed up Perez this year? Or was that Ferrari?

[Blib]

I've just seen Max's turn into Hamilton as Lewis drove past during quali.

It's on Twitter. What on earth was he trying to do?

https://twitter.com/hamburgerh0tdog/status/1594389...

[PhilAsia]

NRS said:

paulguitar said:

The Merc team lets their drivers race. We've seen exactly that this season, We saw it repeatedly with Lewis and Nico. We saw it yesterday, FFS!


Of course, from time to time, if a WDC is on the line, common sense has prevailed and one driver will be asked to act in the interests of the team. To not do this would be patently stupid. But let's not pretend for a moment that Merc is anything like Schumacher-era Ferrari or any era Red Bull. Because that would be bks.

RB compromise their second driver so much they've never had a 1-2 in the WDC, instead of letting driver 2 give way to the first one they'll just put them on insane long stints and the link just to help the first driver out - and basically from the start of the season too. I think it was race 2 they already messed up Perez this year? Or was that Ferrari?

Their sacrificial lamb is there to block any close competition looking for an undercut, as I am sure you are aware. Perez is an excellent blocker and compared to Bottas looks like a superstar.

[oyster]

HustleRussell said:

oyster said:

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

If you’re a fan of music, how can you dislike Liam Gallagher, or Morrissey?

A poor analogy.
F1 is just one category of one type of sport.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t have favourites, but actually disliking someone in a sport you love is weird.

[nickfrog]

Blib said:

I've just seen Max's turn into Hamilton as Lewis drove past during quali.

It's on Twitter. What on earth was he trying to do?

https://twitter.com/hamburgerh0tdog/status/1594389...

A bit weird indeed. I feel sorry for Max in a way as he is under the influence of his Dad, Horner and Helmut. That's a lot for just one person. You easily lose your sense of perspective.

[RB Will]

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

So amusing how the Redbull fanbois hate Hamilton, letting him live rent free in their heads.

Still, when their guy is a tarnished racer with huge question marks over both his titles it's understandable that they are grouchy.

If this is in response to me your presumptions are miles off. I’m not a Red Bull or Max fan. For the millionth time of stating, because for some reason it is used against me in the F1 forums, my username has nothing to do with Max, Red Bull or even F1 at all.

[angrymoby]

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

dribble

it's what dribblers were/are talking about

everyone else remembers Hungary '17 ...where Vettel was actually leading the WDC at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIAK5Ao8DQ

[RB Will]

jm doc said:

Killer2005 said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

Dribble

Presumably you're OK with Checo being asked to move over for Max then?

In his universe this never happened.

It happens, no skin off my nose. All the teams do it all the time, why would I be bothered if RB do?