Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[PhilAsia]

oyster said:

HustleRussell said:

oyster said:

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

If you’re a fan of music, how can you dislike Liam Gallagher, or Morrissey?

A poor analogy.
F1 is just one category of one type of sport.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t have favourites, but actually disliking someone in a sport you love is weird.

OK. Analogy.

I love James Brown and the JBs music. James Brown brought about funk (which I love), singlehandedly (pretty much) stopped the racial riots in Philly and gave some of the best ever stage performances, etc, etc. But, he was still a away from the music - and often a , without the audience knowing, when he was on stage too. He would drop a hand whilst dancing and singing for a band chord change - and, if a member of the band did not pick up on the chord change, they would be docked a night's pay...He can be seen on a YT video turning round on stage and saying "got ya" to a band member mid tune without missing a beat and the audience none the wiser.

Of the JBs he was the only one I dislike. A horrible upbringing turned out a nasty individual, sadly

I am not keen on Max as many know, because of the way he comes across on TV for similar reasons.

[PhilAsia]

nickfrog said:

Blib said:

I've just seen Max's turn into Hamilton as Lewis drove past during quali.

It's on Twitter. What on earth was he trying to do?

https://twitter.com/hamburgerh0tdog/status/1594389...

A bit weird indeed. I feel sorry for Max in a way as he is under the influence of his Dad, Horner and Helmut. That's a lot for just one person. You easily lose your sense of perspective.

I wonder if Lewis had decided to pass Max closer, or even do the same twitch as Max - for holding him up to cool his tyres out of the performance envelope (MB has a problem getting temps) - would have turned out...

Lewis living rent free in Max' noggin........., with accompanying poor views....

[MustangGT]

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

dribble

it's what dribblers were/are talking about

everyone else remembers Hungary '17 ...where Vettel was actually leading the WDC at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIAK5Ao8DQ

Exactly, the dribblers remember VB letting LH pass, and then ignore the fact that LH let VB back past when he could not overtake the car in front.

[Megaflow]

F1GTRUeno said:

ch37 said:

Auslander said:

Vettel doesn't do it whilst standing atop his private jet with an entourage of ostentatious rap stars in tow.

Not sure why I subjected myself to several pages of this thread, but wow, just wow.

By 'rap stars' you are presumably referring to the Olympic medalist fencer and the music producer Lewis is most frequently seen with?

But, er, it's not about race, right?

Interesting that he could've stopped at the priivate jet comment, which, albeit outdated, is a fairly valid criticism to throw at pre-getting rid of said jet-Lewis.

But then he added in the real bile about thhe ostentatious rap stars.

Inferrence and tone come across so well when people reveal the real target.

A very valid point I failed to pick up on when I challenged the private jet statement.

[RB Will]

MustangGT said:

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

dribble

it's what dribblers were/are talking about

everyone else remembers Hungary '17 ...where Vettel was actually leading the WDC at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIAK5Ao8DQ

Exactly, the dribblers remember VB letting LH pass, and then ignore the fact that LH let VB back past when he could not overtake the car in front.

Hadn’t even thought of that one when I posted so wrong again

[MarkwG]

RB Will said:

MustangGT said:

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

dribble

it's what dribblers were/are talking about

everyone else remembers Hungary '17 ...where Vettel was actually leading the WDC at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIAK5Ao8DQ

Exactly, the dribblers remember VB letting LH pass, and then ignore the fact that LH let VB back past when he could not overtake the car in front.

Hadn’t even thought of that one when I posted so wrong again

I think the premise of using internet memes as evidence of a contractual obligation or gentlemen's agreement about number 2 status is pretty flawed anyway. Who knows who created them, or publicized them? If Rosberg beating Hamilton to the championship or Hamilton letting Bottas repass, in contrast to Verstappen not letting Perez back through isn't clear enough to convince people, nothing will be.

[PhilAsia]

MarkwG said:

RB Will said:

MustangGT said:

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

dribble

it's what dribblers were/are talking about

everyone else remembers Hungary '17 ...where Vettel was actually leading the WDC at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIAK5Ao8DQ

Exactly, the dribblers remember VB letting LH pass, and then ignore the fact that LH let VB back past when he could not overtake the car in front.

Hadn’t even thought of that one when I posted so wrong again

I think the premise of using internet memes as evidence of a contractual obligation or gentlemen's agreement about number 2 status is pretty flawed anyway. Who knows who created them, or publicized them? If Rosberg beating Hamilton to the championship or Hamilton letting Bottas repass, in contrast to Verstappen not letting Perez back through isn't clear enough to convince people, nothing will be.

...another lost cause...

[RB Will]

PhilAsia said:

MarkwG said:

RB Will said:

MustangGT said:

angrymoby said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?

dribble

it's what dribblers were/are talking about

everyone else remembers Hungary '17 ...where Vettel was actually leading the WDC at that point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEIAK5Ao8DQ

Exactly, the dribblers remember VB letting LH pass, and then ignore the fact that LH let VB back past when he could not overtake the car in front.

Hadn’t even thought of that one when I posted so wrong again

I think the premise of using internet memes as evidence of a contractual obligation or gentlemen's agreement about number 2 status is pretty flawed anyway. Who knows who created them, or publicized them? If Rosberg beating Hamilton to the championship or Hamilton letting Bottas repass, in contrast to Verstappen not letting Perez back through isn't clear enough to convince people, nothing will be.

...another lost cause...

Says the guy who gets moaned at every week for posting his meme as evidence

Much like Phil's meme, the ones I posted are based on stuff that actually happened, and no I don't have a list of it all.

How about Rosberg being told to let Hamilton through, when racing each other with Rosberg leading the championship at the time, nearly cost him the championship, certainly wasn't needed to help Merc with the championship, they won by 300 points. How about Hamilton not letting Rosberg through when ordered by the team? Bottas having to give up a race win for Hamilton despite not needing it.

I already said it likely isnt a contractually arranged or agreed setup and Hamilton does tend to put himself in a position where it is sensible to give him the assistance, much like Max. All I'm saying is everyone is at it, teams will favour one driver or the other for various reasons at various times.

We may as well draw a line under this as we possibly broadly agree and are just arguing over technicalities for unknown reasons.

I've argued certain drivers seem to be favoured within the teams, this seems to be in agreement, though only in certain circumstances so really we don't have anything to argue about. Arguing it only happens sometimes means it does happen.
They don't always have a policy of just let them race.

Anyway moving on....

[PhilAsia]

RB Will said:

Says the guy who gets pleasure every week for posting his meme as evidence

Phil's meme...based on stuff that actually happened.

Anyway moving on....

FTFY

[Clockwork Cupcake]

RB Will said:

Anyway moving on....

For the love of gods, please at least let this bit of your post be true.

[PhilAsia]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

RB Will said:

Anyway moving on....

For the love of gods, please at least let this bit of your post be true.

Atheist. If others stop posting bs it will.

[NRS]

RB Will said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

So amusing how the Redbull fanbois hate Hamilton, letting him live rent free in their heads.

Still, when their guy is a tarnished racer with huge question marks over both his titles it's understandable that they are grouchy.

If this is in response to me your presumptions are miles off. I’m not a Red Bull or Max fan. For the millionth time of stating, because for some reason it is used against me in the F1 forums, my username has nothing to do with Max, Red Bull or even F1 at all.

I think it’s partly your name, partly that you don’t ever pull up the RB fans with their nonsense, only people who don’t like Max/Merc fans (not always the same).

[NRS]

oyster said:

HustleRussell said:

oyster said:

This is an odd thread.

If you're a fan of F1, how can you dislike any of the drivers?

If you’re a fan of music, how can you dislike Liam Gallagher, or Morrissey?

A poor analogy.
F1 is just one category of one type of sport.

I’m not saying people shouldn’t have favourites, but actually disliking someone in a sport you love is weird.

It’s really not. I’d dislike a driver of my preferred team if they tried to cause an accident, cheated, were a nasty person and so on. Same with any other interest.

Lots are willing to do it though, look how popular Michael Jackson is for example, despite his dodgy history.

[LHRFlightman]

Blib said:

I've just seen Max's turn into Hamilton as Lewis drove past during quali.

It's on Twitter. What on earth was he trying to do?

https://twitter.com/hamburgerh0tdog/status/1594389...

WTaF?

[jm doc]

LHRFlightman said:

Blib said:

I've just seen Max's turn into Hamilton as Lewis drove past during quali.

It's on Twitter. What on earth was he trying to do?

https://twitter.com/hamburgerh0tdog/status/1594389...

WTaF?

Amazed this wasn't investigated by FIA/Stewards, just another in an increasingly long line of incredible decisions favouring Red Bull.

[Henson]

Killer2005 said:

Well now you're just making things up

Now?!

[HighwayStar]

Vanity Projects said:

HighwayStar said:

Wow. What’s upset you so much fella?
As for the rest of your post, I totally agree.

Nothing at all, just thought wild vitriol was an entry requirement for this thread

Ahhh… not my approach but it’s certainly the way of some.

[Teddy Lop]

paulguitar said:

RB Will said:

Is that not what we are talking about?











And on and on. Presumably these are not based on things that never happened?

The Merc team lets their drivers race. We've seen exactly that this season, We saw it repeatedly with Lewis and Nico. We saw it yesterday, FFS!


Of course, from time to time, if a WDC is on the line, common sense has prevailed and one driver will be asked to act in the interests of the team. To not do this would be patently stupid. But let's not pretend for a moment that Merc is anything like Schumacher-era Ferrari or any era Red Bull. Because that would be bks.

Isn't it amazing, the lengths people will go to to convince themselves or portray to others a derisive fallacy, rather than learn to sit with a little cognitive dissonance. What is it do you think? Are their minds too small to contain two conflicting ideas and accept the world doesn't always reconcile?

[RB Will]

NRS said:

RB Will said:

TriumphStag3.0V8 said:

So amusing how the Redbull fanbois hate Hamilton, letting him live rent free in their heads.

Still, when their guy is a tarnished racer with huge question marks over both his titles it's understandable that they are grouchy.

If this is in response to me your presumptions are miles off. I’m not a Red Bull or Max fan. For the millionth time of stating, because for some reason it is used against me in the F1 forums, my username has nothing to do with Max, Red Bull or even F1 at all.

I think it’s partly your name, partly that you don’t ever pull up the RB fans with their nonsense, only people who don’t like Max/Merc fans (not always the same).

I’ve been here on PH with this name longer than RB have been in F1 so can’t be related.
I generally don’t bother pulling up RB / Max because there are enough of you doing it already and as I agree with his behaviour being ste at times I have nothing to add.
I’m usually only commenting on Hamilton / Merc stuff when people are talking ste like, they have never done x or y behaviour that they are moaning at other drivers / teams for when there is mounds of evidence that they do.
Lewis is a fantastic driver and even though I’m not a fan of certain elements of his private life he is overall a good egg with his philanthropy and stuff but let us not pretend that he is absolutely infallible on and off the track

[paulguitar]

Teddy Lop said:

Isn't it amazing, the lengths people will go to to convince themselves or portray to others a derisive fallacy, rather than learn to sit with a little cognitive dissonance. What is it do you think? Are their minds too small to contain two conflicting ideas and accept the world doesn't always reconcile?

I think some people set a certain version of the 'truth' to themselves which is then very hard to deviate from. This is something becoming more prevalent around the world, all the way up to the sort of extreme situation we see in the USA where a significant percentage of the population believes their last election was stolen, despite no evidence to support this. In short, more and more people these days 'choose' their own reality.