Lewis Hamilton (Vol. 2)

[PhilAsia]

Orchardab said:

paulguitar said:

TikTak said:

He may have the personality of dead chicken

In the time I've been watching sport, (40 years or so) Hamilton's story is one of the most fascinating and compelling I have witnessed. I find your comment bizarre.

I have to agree with “dead chicken”.
How on earth did he win Spoty?
Obviously it should be renamed to “sports winners” rather than “Sports Personalities”

Does your other half have the hots for Lewis or something Orchardab?

[paulguitar]

Orchardab said:

General Price said:

paulguitar said:

TikTak said:

paulguitar said:

In the time I've been watching sport, (40 years or so) Hamilton's story is one of the most fascinating and compelling I have witnessed. I find your comment bizarre.

Likewise. Genuinely intrigued to know what's got you so fascinated?

Just about everything really. His dad working several jobs to pay for his karting. The stuff that happened to him at school and at circuits with the shocking racism. The sheer magnitude of his talent and the legendary status he'd attained way before even reaching F1. Reports from long-term McLaren engineers who suggested after his first F1 test he might be the fastest driver they'd ever seen, and that includes Senna, Prost, and Hakkinen. The vanishing unlikelihood of his story ever completing its full ark as it has.

I also completely disagree that he lacks personality or charisma. I think he has plenty of both. He's transcended his sport and personally made F1 far more popular worldwide. In the USA he's hugely popular whilst most Americans could literally not name another contemporary F1 driver. He's been right at the very top of F1 since the first corner of his first race, where he drove around the outside of his twice world champion teammate. He's remained there for more than a decade and a half, and, overall, has been unusually clean and fair in the way in which he has conducted himself both on and off the track. He towers over the sport in the same sort of way Senna did, or Rossi did in MotoGP. When he's gone the loss will be colossal.

Oh, and also Lewis and his dad bought one of his first karts from a Pistonheader.

Yeh,but apart from that.

Yes definitely Americas greatest driver.

[LP670]

Orchardab said:

Yes definitely Americas greatest driver.

Thought he was Brazilian now?

Edited by LP670 on Sunday 11th December 09:26

Edited by LP670 on Sunday 11th December 09:26

[MustangGT]

Orchardab said:

I know lots of you guys on here and on the race weekend threads call people “trolls” if there is any anti Ham posts.

Ham got out pointed by Button over 3 seasons at Mac and got beat by Rosberg.
I love Button, think Ham learnt lots about race craft from him…… but come on…. GOAT?… Really?

He idolises Senna
Ham is fast but a real pussy.
Complains about everything….. my car is slow….. I want to stop mid race because I’m so slow….. boo boo, really showed the true colours of a man paid £40m to drive a car and thinks he is better than racing at the back.
Senna, Prost, Schumacher… etc would have brutalised him one on one, just like Max does.
The old greats are no different to Max now.
Do you guys forget what it used to be like?

What a lot of old c0bblers.

Pick and choose specific stats that support your point, but ignore those same stats when they do not.

Button out-pointed him over 3 seasons. Okay, but Hamilton did better in the WDC in two of the 3 seasons.

So, out-pointing is important to you? So why not mention LH out-scoring NR over the seasons they were together? No, just pick up the one season NR finished ahead, out of 4 seasons.

Senna, Schumacher and MV are all cheats or, at least, very dirty drivers, and Prost is unlikely to beat LH in a straight fight.

So, are you a troll? Maybe, but you certainly come across as somebody who has no real understanding of F1.

Perhaps if you posted a well thought out argument, based on real facts, you may get a better reception, however, you may need to reconsider your main subject since the facts do not support your current position.

[PhilAsia]

MustangGT said:

Orchardab said:

I know lots of you guys on here and on the race weekend threads call people “trolls” if there is any anti Ham posts.

Ham got out pointed by Button over 3 seasons at Mac and got beat by Rosberg.
I love Button, think Ham learnt lots about race craft from him…… but come on…. GOAT?… Really?

He idolises Senna
Ham is fast but a real pussy.
Complains about everything….. my car is slow….. I want to stop mid race because I’m so slow….. boo boo, really showed the true colours of a man paid £40m to drive a car and thinks he is better than racing at the back.
Senna, Prost, Schumacher… etc would have brutalised him one on one, just like Max does.
The old greats are no different to Max now.
Do you guys forget what it used to be like?

What a lot of old c0bblers.

Pick and choose specific stats that support your point, but ignore those same stats when they do not.

Button out-pointed him over 3 seasons. Okay, but Hamilton did better in the WDC in two of the 3 seasons.

So, out-pointing is important to you? So why not mention LH out-scoring NR over the seasons they were together? No, just pick up the one season NR finished ahead, out of 4 seasons.

Senna, Schumacher and MV are all cheats or, at least, very dirty drivers, and Prost is unlikely to beat LH in a straight fight.

So, are you a troll? Maybe, but you certainly come across as somebody who has no real understanding of F1.

Perhaps if you posted a well thought out argument, based on real facts, you may get a better reception, however, you may need to reconsider your main subject since the facts do not support your current position.

As with a few others, the facts are irrelevant. Just as long as the drivel gets the oh-so-important reaction...

[Jasandjules]

paulguitar said:

Reports from long-term McLaren engineers who suggested after his first F1 test he might be the fastest driver they'd ever seen, and that includes Senna, Prost, and Hakkinen.

If memory serves, Lewis once did a test day, they deliberately set the car up so it was wonky and several pro drivers (I think even a couple of F1 drivers at the time, this being a few years before Lewis got into F1) came back and complained it was impossible to drive, let alone fast. Lewis then drove a few laps and put in the fastest lap. They asked if the car was set up ok and he said "No, but it was good enough" or similar....

[GiantCardboardPlato]

Jasandjules said:

If memory serves, Lewis once did a test day, they deliberately set the car up so it was wonky and several pro drivers (I think even a couple of F1 drivers at the time, this being a few years before Lewis got into F1) came back and complained it was impossible to drive, let alone fast. Lewis then drove a few laps and put in the fastest lap. They asked if the car was set up ok and he said "No, but it was good enough" or similar....

about Hamiltons first test with McLaren F1 team

Paddy Lowe said:

He's tremendously good at controlling a car in oversteer. We saw that from the first moment he got in our car. We saw the data, and on every entry we could see there was a massive correction on the steering, and our normal drivers would have been bhing like hell that the car was undriveable, yet he didn't even pass comment. So with a driver like that, you're better equipped to push the boundaries to new levels. Speaking generically of that characteristic, a lot of the performance limit of a car is set by stability; if you can't hang on to it, you will have to introduce understeer in that zone. But if you have a driver better able to deal with oversteer in those zones that induce it, then you will have a less-understeery car elsewhere and therefore more total grip over the lap. The great drivers over the years - Senna, Schumacher, Mansell - have all had that ability. Like for like compared to other drivers, they want more front end.

http://mccabism.blogspot.com/2009/11/lewis-hamilton-and-instability.html

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.long-re...

[entropy]

He joined Merc when it had a lot of understeer and ate its rear tyres. I remember Lewis corrected the world who assumed he likes oversteer but actually preferred to set up cars with some understeer.

As we have seen with Alonso and Max the great drivers consistently extract the maximum from their cars regardless of how good or bad it is.

[Pflanzgarten]

Jasandjules said:

paulguitar said:

Reports from long-term McLaren engineers who suggested after his first F1 test he might be the fastest driver they'd ever seen, and that includes Senna, Prost, and Hakkinen.

If memory serves, Lewis once did a test day, they deliberately set the car up so it was wonky and several pro drivers (I think even a couple of F1 drivers at the time, this being a few years before Lewis got into F1) came back and complained it was impossible to drive, let alone fast. Lewis then drove a few laps and put in the fastest lap. They asked if the car was set up ok and he said "No, but it was good enough" or similar....

Pedro de la Rosa on Hamilton at his first F1 test;

PdlR said:

That's when my mind changed. We had two cars, we were testing there, [and] it was his first ever Formula 1 experience. He did a run, and he was nowhere, you know.

I remember looking at his data with Philip Prew, my race engineer back then. We were looking and Philip told me: 'The boy will need to improve a lot over the years...it's a long road for Lewis, but he will be good, but we just have to give him time, blah, blah'.

And I thought 'yeah, yeah, yeah'. I did a run, came back, looked at the times and I saw Lewis was fastest.

You know, on the second run! And I looked at the data and I said: 'What happened?' [They said:] 'Well we gave him new tires'.

"So I looked in the data, and he was so fast through Copse, Becketts, Maggots... that then I just realised the potential of Lewis Hamilton. Just looking at the data for a couple of seconds I realised we had a massive problem.

Pedro lost the seat to Lewis in 2007 and the rest is history.


Also, Lewis spent the day at Great Ormond Street Hospital today.

[GiantCardboardPlato]

Still think Hamilton’s qualifying laps in Monaco 2007 and 2008 are some of the most exciting I’ve seen. So rare to ‘see’ a modern f1 car being driven, but we could there.

[TikTak]

paulguitar said:

TikTak said:

paulguitar said:

In the time I've been watching sport, (40 years or so) Hamilton's story is one of the most fascinating and compelling I have witnessed. I find your comment bizarre.

Likewise. Genuinely intrigued to know what's got you so fascinated?

Just about everything really. His dad working several jobs to pay for his karting. The stuff that happened to him at school and at circuits with the shocking racism. The sheer magnitude of his talent and the legendary status he'd attained way before even reaching F1. Reports from long-term McLaren engineers who suggested after his first F1 test he might be the fastest driver they'd ever seen, and that includes Senna, Prost, and Hakkinen. The vanishing unlikelihood of his story ever completing its full ark as it has.

I also completely disagree that he lacks personality or charisma. I think he has plenty of both. He's transcended his sport and personally made F1 far more popular worldwide. In the USA he's hugely popular whilst most Americans could literally not name another contemporary F1 driver. He's been right at the very top of F1 since the first corner of his first race, where he drove around the outside of his twice world champion teammate. He's remained there for more than a decade and a half, and, overall, has been unusually clean and fair in the way in which he has conducted himself both on and off the track. He towers over the sport in the same sort of way Senna did, or Rossi did in MotoGP. When he's gone the loss will be colossal.

Oh, and also Lewis and his dad bought one of his first karts from a Pistonheader.

Most interesting bit first. The early kart, that gives a more personal touch and I like that. Learn something new every day.

It's nice to read what for others makes the driver/personality be more of a standout for others. I guess it's a specific mix that works as naturally some other drivers share these.

I guess for me it isn't the first time we've seen rags to riches and I'm more cynical of the people of those people once they've made it. The brash TV reality show life outside F1 just isn't my thing at all but hey, be boring if we all liked the same things.

[andburg]

Seems Lewis didn't take part in the drivers secret santa this year based on the video at least

[MustangGT]

andburg said:

Seems Lewis didn't take part in the drivers secret santa this year based on the video at least

Who cares? Anyway, he bought them all dinner at the end of season goodbye to Seb. I guess he has got used to doing that over the last few years and forgot it is normally the WDC who pays.

[Kevin Cozner]

[andym1603]

Can anyone tell if this is a photoshop?

[Clockwork Cupcake]

andym1603 said:

Can anyone tell if this is a photoshop?

TinEye reverse image search isn't finding anything. It certainly looks like one though.

Why, do you have a problem with it?

[cuprabob]

andym1603 said:

Can anyone tell if this is a photoshop?

Yes, it's a photoshop.

Edited by cuprabob on Wednesday 11th January 19:31

[Oneball]

Yes it is a photoshop. It’s Billy Porter with Lewis’s head stuck on.

[andym1603]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

TinEye reverse image search isn't finding anything. It certainly looks like one though.

Why, do you have a problem with it?

Nope, no problem. Just wanted to know if the attention seeking had started already.

[andym1603]

Oneball said:

Yes it is a photoshop. It’s Billy Porter with Lewis’s head stuck on.

Thanks.