Croft has to go
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I’m grumpy not about the lack of Murray, but the false suspense that Croft continually introduces ([car is 0.8 second behind entering long straight] ‘IS HE CLOSE ENOUGH TO PASS THIS TIME?’). He either lacks a fundamental understanding of motorsport, or is ignoring it and sensationalising the action, which is insulting to viewers who can see what is happening on the screen in front of them.
Jenson button is also amping up the ‘lads on tour vibe’. It’s like the audio version of 5 mid-30s men roaming a Saturday night provisional town centre in brown tan shoes, weirdly washed/distressed bootcut jeans, belt, and dark coloured shirt with garish pattern enclosing substantial belly.
paulguitar said:
Disastrous said:
Let’s be honest: most of this thread is just irrational grumping because Murray Walker isn’t somehow magically still doing it.
No, it’s not at all irrational. It’s because Croft is s
t.It’s pretty clear that most people either don’t understand the uproar of commentary, or would just prefer there was none. Which is fine. It’s just tedious to read the same things year after year
(‘Stop the cock’?? Was that what the James Allen thread was called?)
paulguitar said:
Disastrous said:
It’s just tedious to read the same things year after year
You're choosing to read a thread about Croft being terrible.Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
Disastrous said:
Oh sorry, I hadn’t realised this thread was only accepting criticism.
Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
No you made a daft/judgemental assertion about the motives of people criticising him, you're welcome to enjoy what he does, takes all types.Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
Teddy Lop said:
Disastrous said:
Oh sorry, I hadn’t realised this thread was only accepting criticism.
Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
No you made a daft/judgemental assertion about the motives of people criticising him, you're welcome to enjoy what he does, takes all types.Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
Disastrous said:
Teddy Lop said:
Disastrous said:
Oh sorry, I hadn’t realised this thread was only accepting criticism.
Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
No you made a daft/judgemental assertion about the motives of people criticising him, you're welcome to enjoy what he does, takes all types.Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
Teddy Lop said:
Disastrous said:
Teddy Lop said:
Disastrous said:
Oh sorry, I hadn’t realised this thread was only accepting criticism.
Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
No you made a daft/judgemental assertion about the motives of people criticising him, you're welcome to enjoy what he does, takes all types.Bit of a lazy retort though, eh? Maybe address my point that ever commentator gets the same treatment instead of trying to police your echo chamber?
I was attempting to offer an alternate view which is that he’s fine, and objectively no worse than all the others that have been moaned about over the years.
But who then?
Brundle will be back for the last 6 races - he's having fun this weekend with Zak Brown - https://twitter.com/MBrundleF1/status/144683778638...
I think the big issue is more than the man. IN the past you had Murray, James or whoever simply for either 1 half hour to hour highlights show or the whole race after a few years, you did not have liver coverage of every single second on track.
I doubt anybody with even the most enthusiastic approach to the business that is now F1, could get excited for every session. It is all so so samey.
I have some sympathy for Croft as races now follow a fairly samey pattern I gather, lots of saving, some strategy and then a dash for cash in the last 20 or so laps when it all unwinds. That is tame, fairly hard to make interesting initially and exciting at the end.
My beef with Croft is the shouting, nothing more, the rest of it is just him trying to justify his existence with pointless stats, endless drivel, it is no worse than another other commentator, but his shouting IS worse.
My other beef is I believe he thinks he is special, something a proper commentator like Murray, Barry Davies, Coleman did not, they were doing a job, I think Croft believes he is a personality.
He is not he is a fat, over indulged, overpaid dosser who shouts too much and somehow manages to convince dunderhead producers and directors that he is good enough. I don't know how, but you have to respect the man for keeping at it for so long. As regards the other guys who have tried, I never understood the hatred for Legard he was nothing special but nowhere hear as bad as people say compared to this cretin, James Allen got better with time, but also shouted far too much embarrassingly as did Edwards at the end of his tenure, something I believe they are TOLD to do.
I doubt anybody with even the most enthusiastic approach to the business that is now F1, could get excited for every session. It is all so so samey.
I have some sympathy for Croft as races now follow a fairly samey pattern I gather, lots of saving, some strategy and then a dash for cash in the last 20 or so laps when it all unwinds. That is tame, fairly hard to make interesting initially and exciting at the end.
My beef with Croft is the shouting, nothing more, the rest of it is just him trying to justify his existence with pointless stats, endless drivel, it is no worse than another other commentator, but his shouting IS worse.
My other beef is I believe he thinks he is special, something a proper commentator like Murray, Barry Davies, Coleman did not, they were doing a job, I think Croft believes he is a personality.
He is not he is a fat, over indulged, overpaid dosser who shouts too much and somehow manages to convince dunderhead producers and directors that he is good enough. I don't know how, but you have to respect the man for keeping at it for so long. As regards the other guys who have tried, I never understood the hatred for Legard he was nothing special but nowhere hear as bad as people say compared to this cretin, James Allen got better with time, but also shouted far too much embarrassingly as did Edwards at the end of his tenure, something I believe they are TOLD to do.
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