Croft has to go

Croft has to go

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PhilAsia

3,853 posts

76 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Teppic said:
PhilAsia said:
Adrian W said:
So if someone who was never got pole here gets it, then that’s a new pole sitter…………what
Finger so firmly on the pulse that it has cut the blood supply to his brain?
Brain?
I was at a loss at what to describe it as tbh. In most cases it is attached at the cerebellum. Crofty's is attached to the sillybellend.

PhilAsia

3,853 posts

76 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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sociopath said:
paulguitar said:
Adrian W said:
sociopath said:
I like Crofty ??, I like how he winds up the crowd here even more.

Long may he continue
I get the impression that you are in a minority, I’ll continue to think he is a babbling idiot
There's always going to be the clueless and easily pleased, that's Croft's core audience.
Clueless?
Well I've worked for McLaren, Stewart Racing/jaguar, and Pi Research in the past.

Feel free to tell me your expertise
Two sugars thanks...

iandc

3,719 posts

207 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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LM240 said:
He was bad today. Getting muddled all the time trying to spin something into his usual ‘funny’ line about it.

The pair of them were not strong today. In fact the entire team don’t offer much. All of them offering nothing insightful. As a knowledgeable fan, I’m finding the pre show quite tedious now.

Martin was at Le Mans supporting his son. Made brief appearance on the commentary as a guest. Ant Davidson doing stints of commentary also. Him and Martin together would be decent.
Totally agree. Very difficult to find any positives to say about the whole coverage. DeResta's "shh" instead of "s" in every sentence is so grating then Crofty with his mistakes and screaming aboutanovertae when none is on hurts my ears.He had Lewis "overtaking" for about 5 laps when it was obvious to any cretin that he was too far back.
When Brundle is absent it is so appalling.

Gary29

4,164 posts

100 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Mcl'AHHH'ren furious

StevieBee

12,939 posts

256 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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iandc said:
The coverage from Sky has I think been the worst for some time. And that is saying something. They seem to be going backwards. Croft in particular is definitely getting worse. Had they all been partying during the weekend?
It's not so much worse, more 'different'.

When they started, their audience was almost exclusively long-term fans and followers of F1, people who knew about the sport. A lot of their supplementary programming catered for this with some excellent content on the sport's history and some of the more nurdy technical stuff.

Over the past couple of years, they've increased their accessibility and this, and thanks to Netflix / DTS, have attracted a sizeable, new audience who are less interested in the history and other aspects previously catered for. This isn't just a UK thing, the Sky F1 content we see here is broadcast in many other countries around the world.

They therefore have to provide a balanced approach catering for the long-term knowledgeable fans and the new ones. It's a difficult balance to strike.

David Croft appears to fulfil his brief well. Whether you like him or not is just subjective. As an example.....

JonChalk said:
Croft reminds me of the likes of Chris Moyles, Chris Evans and Nicky Campbell
Three of the most successful broadcasters of their type, all still in gainful and popular employment. They must be doing something right!

paulguitar

23,614 posts

114 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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StevieBee said:
David Croft appears to fulfil his brief well. Whether you like him or not is just subjective. As an example.....
Perhaps, if his brief is 'yell constantly, and get nearly everything wrong'.



MarkwG

4,859 posts

190 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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StevieBee said:
iandc said:
The coverage from Sky has I think been the worst for some time. And that is saying something. They seem to be going backwards. Croft in particular is definitely getting worse. Had they all been partying during the weekend?
It's not so much worse, more 'different'.

When they started, their audience was almost exclusively long-term fans and followers of F1, people who knew about the sport. A lot of their supplementary programming catered for this with some excellent content on the sport's history and some of the more nurdy technical stuff.

Over the past couple of years, they've increased their accessibility and this, and thanks to Netflix / DTS, have attracted a sizeable, new audience who are less interested in the history and other aspects previously catered for. This isn't just a UK thing, the Sky F1 content we see here is broadcast in many other countries around the world.

They therefore have to provide a balanced approach catering for the long-term knowledgeable fans and the new ones. It's a difficult balance to strike.

David Croft appears to fulfil his brief well. Whether you like him or not is just subjective. As an example.....

JonChalk said:
Croft reminds me of the likes of Chris Moyles, Chris Evans and Nicky Campbell
Three of the most successful broadcasters of their type, all still in gainful and popular employment. They must be doing something right!
That doesn't stack up though - Croft has been with Sky since they took over, & whether the audience has changed, or not, his technical level of understanding hasn't measurably improved. I understand there's often a need for a technical expert to explain the fine details, & a "Dr Watson" character to break it down for the more casually interested, but he doesn't do either. He chimes in with inappropriate, inaccurate comments, causing confusion for those who should be his target audience, pretending a level of expertise he clearly doesn't have. In doing so, he's annoying those who spot his mistakes & hype for what it is, but not helping those who don't.

His style might be similar to Moyles, Evans & Campbell: the difference is they're not handling a fast moving sport; if Croft was commentating on "It's a Knockout!" then he'd be fine, I suspect. They're successful because they use their particular style appropriately: the problem with Croft is that he doesn't. When Evans tried Top Gear, his style failed miserably, even though he's a big car fan. F1 presenting is no place for Crofts Gonzo journalism style, in my view.

Edited by MarkwG on Monday 13th June 14:02

BaronVonVaderham

2,317 posts

148 months

Monday 13th June 2022
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Also, unlike virtually every other motorsport commentator, he doesn’t come across as knowledgeable or passionate at all about motorsport outside of F1. He just does this as a job. Wish he’d stayed in darts.

Sky’s Baku coverage bereft of the legitimacy that Davidson and Brundle provide was utterly terrible.

Adrian W

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13,898 posts

229 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Is it now a bromance between Croft and Horner, as things are going Horners way he us only too happy to answer Crofts mundane questions

Cobracc

3,353 posts

151 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Can you imagine being stuck in a lift with 'Crofty'...

spikyone

1,474 posts

101 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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I was on the fence, but he's just said that he's never seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. I'm now in no doubt that he needs to be fired, immediately.

cgt2

7,102 posts

189 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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spikyone said:
I was on the fence, but he's just said that he's never seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. I'm now in no doubt that he needs to be fired, immediately.
And no one remembers poor old Alex Winter's name

playamonte

92 posts

30 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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SKY must be aware how their presenters are viewed / despised by their paying customers yet they carry on employing these buffoons.

I wonder why ?

Piginapoke

4,771 posts

186 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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dibbers006 said:
Cobracc said:
Can you imagine being stuck in a lift with 'Crofty'...
Lights out but the lift don't go!

Did I tell you about the time I jogged around Spa...
I think you mentioned it once or twice

aterribleusername

309 posts

64 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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I was watching some old clips with Crofty's commentary on them from when he first started doing F1 a few weeks ago and the contrast to how less shouty and idiotic then to now was stark! He was still poorly informed and annoying but the volume differential and verocity of the delivery were much more restrained.

HardtopManual

2,439 posts

167 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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playamonte said:
SKY must be aware how their presenters are viewed / despised by their paying customers yet they carry on employing these buffoons.

I wonder why ?
I think you've answered your own question there.

paulguitar

23,614 posts

114 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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aterribleusername said:
I was watching some old clips with Crofty's commentary on them from when he first started doing F1 a few weeks ago and the contrast to how less shouty and idiotic then to now was stark! He was still poorly informed and annoying but the volume differential and verocity of the delivery were much more restrained.
Yep, when he used to do the free practice session years ago on the radio I remember liking him. Perhaps he's encouraged to pull his clueless screaming routine by Sky?

Brainpox

4,057 posts

152 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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playamonte said:
SKY must be aware how their presenters are viewed / despised by their paying customers yet they carry on employing these buffoons.

I wonder why ?
The Sky commentary is used globally and Americans love being shouted at.

sociopath

3,433 posts

67 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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Adrian W said:
sociopath said:
Clueless?
Well I've worked for McLaren, Stewart Racing/jaguar, and Pi Research in the past.

Feel free to tell me your expertise
How does that prove any expertise regarding Formula one? What did you do for those businesses?

Croft screaming at the end of Qualy three yesterday was an assault on the ears, he had nothing to say so just dreamed and shouted

Edited by Adrian W on Sunday 12th June 13:00
OK to be specific, I worked for McLaren F1, Jaguar F1 racing, and Pi Research in the F1 division.

What I worked on I can't say, due to NDAs, beyond saying it was mostly involved in simulation, simulation algorithms, and data analysis.

So, you're right, absolutely no expertise in F1 there.

Still waiting to hear your expertise.

This thread is priceless

paulguitar

23,614 posts

114 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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sociopath said:
OK to be specific, I worked for McLaren F1, Jaguar F1 racing, and Pi Research in the F1 division.

What I worked on I can't say, due to NDAs, beyond saying it was mostly involved in simulation, simulation algorithms, and data analysis.

So, you're right, absolutely no expertise in F1 there.

Still waiting to hear your expertise.

This thread is priceless
It's hardly necessary to have worked within F1 to understand that Croft is unfit for purpose.