Official 2020 Eifel Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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Looking from the outside, I can’t quite see how recovering Norris car couldn’t have been achieved safely with double yellows or at the very worst a virtual safety car.
The time taken to sort it out was ridiculous.
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Nice gesture with the Schumacher helmet. I wish he’d been able to it hand over himself. Hope we will see him again in some capacity at a circuit.
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Not too thrilling a race, but some interest down the field with overtakes.
The time taken to sort it out was ridiculous.
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Nice gesture with the Schumacher helmet. I wish he’d been able to it hand over himself. Hope we will see him again in some capacity at a circuit.
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Not too thrilling a race, but some interest down the field with overtakes.
antspants said:
It was a very petty comment to make, followed by "what was the question?" while you see PDR's eyes raising to the sky. Strange as he's usually very magnanimous when talking about Hamilton.
I find him hard to like at the best of times, but thought he was a bit of a dick on a few occasions today. It's almost as if he thinks he's built a reputation for asking the tough questions. He's far better when he's providing the useful insights of a very recent F1 champion and of course when pointing out Crofty's mistakes.
It did seem a bit fraught to me. I thought I might have been imagining it but you seeing it sort of confirms it to me.I find him hard to like at the best of times, but thought he was a bit of a dick on a few occasions today. It's almost as if he thinks he's built a reputation for asking the tough questions. He's far better when he's providing the useful insights of a very recent F1 champion and of course when pointing out Crofty's mistakes.
I thought it might be bias. I'm no fan of NR. Leaving Merc when he did seemed to me to be ungrateful. They didn't have the WDC in their car. Nor did anyone else of course. Further, Merc's plans, and they do seem to plan a great deal, were disrupted. However, I've not noticed him being critical of Hamilton, but then, I suppose, if he wants to get airtime on an English-speaking channel, it might be a bad idea. Anyone any idea what he says on German TV?
TheDeuce said:
I'm not Cyril's or Renault F1's biggest fan. But yes, absolutely - they finally got a result!! It's insane how much they've ploughed in to not even be able to out compete their own customer... But finally, today, they did. It was circumstantial more than on merit but at very least they had the right driver to get it done.
I'll never really understand exactly what Renault or the French tax payer gets from their F1 involvement.. But like all manufacturers we should be thankful they're present as we're all a bit screwed if they leave!
There was a lot to do at Enstone facility wise when they took over from the sort of Lotus team a few years back after they'd been running on a budget of naff all, similar to Mclaren upgrading their wind tunnel now, the cash needs to be spent even if the benefit isn't seen for a few years I'll never really understand exactly what Renault or the French tax payer gets from their F1 involvement.. But like all manufacturers we should be thankful they're present as we're all a bit screwed if they leave!
DanielSan said:
TheDeuce said:
I'm not Cyril's or Renault F1's biggest fan. But yes, absolutely - they finally got a result!! It's insane how much they've ploughed in to not even be able to out compete their own customer... But finally, today, they did. It was circumstantial more than on merit but at very least they had the right driver to get it done.
I'll never really understand exactly what Renault or the French tax payer gets from their F1 involvement.. But like all manufacturers we should be thankful they're present as we're all a bit screwed if they leave!
There was a lot to do at Enstone facility wise when they took over from the sort of Lotus team a few years back after they'd been running on a budget of naff all, similar to Mclaren upgrading their wind tunnel now, the cash needs to be spent even if the benefit isn't seen for a few years I'll never really understand exactly what Renault or the French tax payer gets from their F1 involvement.. But like all manufacturers we should be thankful they're present as we're all a bit screwed if they leave!
TheDeuce said:
DanielSan said:
TheDeuce said:
I'm not Cyril's or Renault F1's biggest fan. But yes, absolutely - they finally got a result!! It's insane how much they've ploughed in to not even be able to out compete their own customer... But finally, today, they did. It was circumstantial more than on merit but at very least they had the right driver to get it done.
I'll never really understand exactly what Renault or the French tax payer gets from their F1 involvement.. But like all manufacturers we should be thankful they're present as we're all a bit screwed if they leave!
There was a lot to do at Enstone facility wise when they took over from the sort of Lotus team a few years back after they'd been running on a budget of naff all, similar to Mclaren upgrading their wind tunnel now, the cash needs to be spent even if the benefit isn't seen for a few years I'll never really understand exactly what Renault or the French tax payer gets from their F1 involvement.. But like all manufacturers we should be thankful they're present as we're all a bit screwed if they leave!
Feel bad for Russell too but not sure how much he’s gonna go forward from where he is.
This deja vue thing really happens you know.
Bottas has a win, and in the next race he produces a brilliant first lap. Absolutely stunning. Then, going into turn 1, he locks up and Hamilton sails past and wins the race. It’s 2019 in Bahrain all over again. And just to make the coincidence even more spooky, Vettel spun unaided both races. OK, so it’s not be an unusual occurrence of late, but still.
Bottas has a win, and in the next race he produces a brilliant first lap. Absolutely stunning. Then, going into turn 1, he locks up and Hamilton sails past and wins the race. It’s 2019 in Bahrain all over again. And just to make the coincidence even more spooky, Vettel spun unaided both races. OK, so it’s not be an unusual occurrence of late, but still.
p1stonhead said:
Would love to see Lando fighting at the front.
Feel bad for Russell too but not sure how much he’s gonna go forward from where he is.
Unless Toto puts him into the Mercedes for 22 the best thing he can do is get out of the Mercedes program and get a drive with another team, I'm sure he wouldn't be short of offers if it became known he was available Feel bad for Russell too but not sure how much he’s gonna go forward from where he is.
Derek Smith said:
It did seem a bit fraught to me. I thought I might have been imagining it but you seeing it sort of confirms it to me.
I thought it might be bias. I'm no fan of NR. Leaving Merc when he did seemed to me to be ungrateful. They didn't have the WDC in their car. Nor did anyone else of course. Further, Merc's plans, and they do seem to plan a great deal, were disrupted. However, I've not noticed him being critical of Hamilton, but then, I suppose, if he wants to get airtime on an English-speaking channel, it might be a bad idea. Anyone any idea what he says on German TV?
I thought he was overly pushy and antagonistic at times today with different interviewees. I thought it might be bias. I'm no fan of NR. Leaving Merc when he did seemed to me to be ungrateful. They didn't have the WDC in their car. Nor did anyone else of course. Further, Merc's plans, and they do seem to plan a great deal, were disrupted. However, I've not noticed him being critical of Hamilton, but then, I suppose, if he wants to get airtime on an English-speaking channel, it might be a bad idea. Anyone any idea what he says on German TV?
As I say he's usually very complimentary about Lewis, so it felt a bit petty when it was easier to say yes a great achievement and he looks nailed on for his 7th WDC.
Strangely (because I do find him hard to like) I'm of the opposite opinion regarding his retirement, although I understand your point of view, he actually went up in my estimation by walking away having achieved presumably his life's ambition. Then wasn't afraid to admit how much it took to do it and his unwillingness to put himself through it again. Thought it took balls to admit that publicly.
antspants said:
I thought he was overly pushy and antagonistic at times today with different interviewees.
As I say he's usually very complimentary about Lewis, so it felt a bit petty when it was easier to say yes a great achievement and he looks nailed on for his 7th WDC.
Strangely (because I do find him hard to like) I'm of the opposite opinion regarding his retirement, although I understand your point of view, he actually went up in my estimation by walking away having achieved presumably his life's ambition. Then wasn't afraid to admit how much it took to do it and his unwillingness to put himself through it again. Thought it took balls to admit that publicly.
I agree that leaving the sport after winning the WDC to the bit of nerve, and many others might well have shuffled along without their hearts in it for another season or two we seen often enough. But at the very least it should have been done the day after he'd won. Or maybe as soon as he was sober. Mercedes were very generous to him and did what so many teams failed to do and provided equal opportunity for their drivers. I think that imposes a certain obligation.As I say he's usually very complimentary about Lewis, so it felt a bit petty when it was easier to say yes a great achievement and he looks nailed on for his 7th WDC.
Strangely (because I do find him hard to like) I'm of the opposite opinion regarding his retirement, although I understand your point of view, he actually went up in my estimation by walking away having achieved presumably his life's ambition. Then wasn't afraid to admit how much it took to do it and his unwillingness to put himself through it again. Thought it took balls to admit that publicly.
I also agree that he is difficult to warm to. That didn't matter to me when he was a driver but now he's a presenter it's almost a requirement. Mind you is a lot worse than him around and on the same channel, but no names. It's getting boring Crofty being criticised all the time.
Derek Smith said:
uptheraidillon said:
It was a nice gesture for a Schumacher to give Hamilton a helmet, but they could have waited one more win, or equalling 7 WDCs.
I don't think so. At the moment, his dad is equal to Hamilton. Now's the time to to give the helmet is a blaze of publicity. Too much to ask any child to congratulate someone for beating their father. 7 WDCs is the second record, and that won't be broken this season obviously.Edited by uptheraidillon on Sunday 11th October 18:39
It was indeed a nice gesture. And rather sad, as the person who should have given it wasn't able to attend.
Hamilton seemed genuinely moved. As he should have been. That was MS's son. Good lad.
cuprabob said:
Derek Smith said:
uptheraidillon said:
It was a nice gesture for a Schumacher to give Hamilton a helmet, but they could have waited one more win, or equalling 7 WDCs.
I don't think so. At the moment, his dad is equal to Hamilton. Now's the time to to give the helmet is a blaze of publicity. Too much to ask any child to congratulate someone for beating their father. 7 WDCs is the second record, and that won't be broken this season obviously.Edited by uptheraidillon on Sunday 11th October 18:39
It was indeed a nice gesture. And rather sad, as the person who should have given it wasn't able to attend.
Hamilton seemed genuinely moved. As he should have been. That was MS's son. Good lad.
Derek Smith said:
It did seem a bit fraught to me. I thought I might have been imagining it but you seeing it sort of confirms it to me.
I thought it might be bias. I'm no fan of NR. Leaving Merc when he did seemed to me to be ungrateful. They didn't have the WDC in their car. Nor did anyone else of course. Further, Merc's plans, and they do seem to plan a great deal, were disrupted. However, I've not noticed him being critical of Hamilton, but then, I suppose, if he wants to get airtime on an English-speaking channel, it might be a bad idea. Anyone any idea what he says on German TV?
rosberg has huuuge respect for Hamilton; he might have beat him to the title but he broke himself doing it, he became an ugly person that wasn't him and couldn't repeat it. Lewis dusted himself down and said okay lets go again. Rosberg walked away. I remember my mrs texting me in amazement he'd quit, I laughed as it made perfect sense. Then he popped up on TV, his bubbly charming self again, not the ugly spectre that was 2016 him. I thought it might be bias. I'm no fan of NR. Leaving Merc when he did seemed to me to be ungrateful. They didn't have the WDC in their car. Nor did anyone else of course. Further, Merc's plans, and they do seem to plan a great deal, were disrupted. However, I've not noticed him being critical of Hamilton, but then, I suppose, if he wants to get airtime on an English-speaking channel, it might be a bad idea. Anyone any idea what he says on German TV?
There's an interesting character study there! I bet he lauds Lewis on German telly.
Of course he does.
The greater Hamilton’s achievement by extension the greater his achievement by beating him in a straight fight.
Lots of debate about how it was done, but in the history books in the same car he won.
If Hamilton finishes as an 8 times champion with all the records. Rosberg will be able to say on my day I beat that guy.
It might just be me, but the more Hamilton wins and the more he crushes Bottas the greater my respect for Rosberg. He ran him close most of the time and got his championship. It says a lot about how good he was.
If it was Rosberg in Vettels seat the last couple of years do we think he would more of a go of it? I think so.
The greater Hamilton’s achievement by extension the greater his achievement by beating him in a straight fight.
Lots of debate about how it was done, but in the history books in the same car he won.
If Hamilton finishes as an 8 times champion with all the records. Rosberg will be able to say on my day I beat that guy.
It might just be me, but the more Hamilton wins and the more he crushes Bottas the greater my respect for Rosberg. He ran him close most of the time and got his championship. It says a lot about how good he was.
If it was Rosberg in Vettels seat the last couple of years do we think he would more of a go of it? I think so.
p1stonhead said:
Would love to see Lando fighting at the front.
Feel bad for Russell too but not sure how much he’s gonna go forward from where he is.
Lando's already fighting at podium level often enough... Good enough for a kid with plenty of time to grow I think. He's also made himself very valuable in terms of sponsorship/popularity so he's in a decent place. Also a very decent team that 2022 onwards could be a top team again perhaps.Feel bad for Russell too but not sure how much he’s gonna go forward from where he is.
As for Russell, he's clearly mastered the Williams but in his own words, same as Kubica. if you push it too far it's unpredictable - so I don't think he can drive any harder in that car, and there is no new Williams until 2022 so he's definitely a bit stuck. A shame as I do think he's perhaps the finest of the current crop of new boys. However, he's also aligned for a Merc seat or at very least another merc powered car.. In that respect, at some point, the only way is up.
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