Official 2020 Eifel Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
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ash73 said:
Missed the race as we had a power cut all day, so went for a ride on the motorbike.
Watched the highlights and it looked quite entertaining, Lewis and Max in a league of their own, pleased for Danny and Perez, Lando unlucky, Bottas put up a fight on the first lap and then ballsed it up... idiot.
Bit weird celebrating equalling someone's record rather than beating it, but the helmet was a nice touch. Lewis should pass 100, but it would be quite cool if he retired at 99 to match J Stewart's total races.
Highly unlikely he will retire before the summer break next season. Watched the highlights and it looked quite entertaining, Lewis and Max in a league of their own, pleased for Danny and Perez, Lando unlucky, Bottas put up a fight on the first lap and then ballsed it up... idiot.
Bit weird celebrating equalling someone's record rather than beating it, but the helmet was a nice touch. Lewis should pass 100, but it would be quite cool if he retired at 99 to match J Stewart's total races.
uptheraidillon said:
Sounds cliche, but time will tell for Riccardo and Verstappen.
This one will run and run, but I don't think Ricciardo (inevitably) ending up with less wins or WDCs as Verstappen will mean he made the wrong choice.He will know better than anyone that the team was leaning heavily towards Max. Whilst he's never explicitly stated it, he has alluded to leaving due to realising he won't get the same opportunities going forward at RBR.
Leaving was a roll of the dice, see out a profitable career as a wingman and inevitably get screwed over by your team now and again, or look for another challenge. Realistically neither is likely to give him WDCs now, but he can at least know he has a chance elsewhere should he luck in to a car at the sharp end at some point.
The #2 seat at RBR really is the worst seat in F1. Albon could have carved a decent career in F1 with more time in the B team, but it's looking more and more likely that his time in F1 will be cut short due to his early promotion.
ch37 said:
uptheraidillon said:
Sounds cliche, but time will tell for Riccardo and Verstappen.
This one will run and run, but I don't think Ricciardo (inevitably) ending up with less wins or WDCs as Verstappen will mean he made the wrong choice.He will know better than anyone that the team was leaning heavily towards Max. Whilst he's never explicitly stated it, he has alluded to leaving due to realising he won't get the same opportunities going forward at RBR.
Leaving was a roll of the dice, see out a profitable career as a wingman and inevitably get screwed over by your team now and again, or look for another challenge. Realistically neither is likely to give him WDCs now, but he can at least know he has a chance elsewhere should he luck in to a car at the sharp end at some point.
The #2 seat at RBR really is the worst seat in F1. Albon could have carved a decent career in F1 with more time in the B team, but it's looking more and more likely that his time in F1 will be cut short due to his early promotion.
Things don't always work out as they perhaps should, he may never get a fair shot. But if he does, I can see him at very least being a title challenger.
k you though.ch37 said:
This one will run and run, but I don't think Ricciardo (inevitably) ending up with less wins or WDCs as Verstappen will mean he made the wrong choice.
He will know better than anyone that the team was leaning heavily towards Max. Whilst he's never explicitly stated it, he has alluded to leaving due to realising he won't get the same opportunities going forward at RBR.
Leaving was a roll of the dice, see out a profitable career as a wingman and inevitably get screwed over by your team now and again, or look for another challenge. Realistically neither is likely to give him WDCs now, but he can at least know he has a chance elsewhere should he luck in to a car at the sharp end at some point.
The #2 seat at RBR really is the worst seat in F1. Albon could have carved a decent career in F1 with more time in the B team, but it's looking more and more likely that his time in F1 will be cut short due to his early promotion.
my other half, being an Aussie, always had her Danny ric hat on and from maxs first race win in Spain maintained they were sacrificing Danny for his benefit of which I was slightly more skeptical, but what really turned me was Baku where they made Danny publicly take "equal blame" for an accident predominantly caused by max unloading his front wing and effectively making him a passenger. That was the point - and I think Danny has kind of said it too - it was obvious that the no2 RB seat was simply not going to take him where he needed.He will know better than anyone that the team was leaning heavily towards Max. Whilst he's never explicitly stated it, he has alluded to leaving due to realising he won't get the same opportunities going forward at RBR.
Leaving was a roll of the dice, see out a profitable career as a wingman and inevitably get screwed over by your team now and again, or look for another challenge. Realistically neither is likely to give him WDCs now, but he can at least know he has a chance elsewhere should he luck in to a car at the sharp end at some point.
The #2 seat at RBR really is the worst seat in F1. Albon could have carved a decent career in F1 with more time in the B team, but it's looking more and more likely that his time in F1 will be cut short due to his early promotion.
The inexplicable rise and fall and subsequent rise of gasley has also painted RB worse than him, such to the point they (RB) have admitted its "something" to do with the team without elaborating much more...
jsf said:
Jonny_ said:
A lot quicker to say "stop talking" than "do excuse me old chap, one is currently engaged in a spot of racing, will be in touch later, do hope you understand dear fellow" 
I reckon the first qualification for a race engineer is thick skin.
A degree in baby sitting helps.I reckon the first qualification for a race engineer is thick skin.
TheDeuce said:
ch37 said:
uptheraidillon said:
Sounds cliche, but time will tell for Riccardo and Verstappen.
This one will run and run, but I don't think Ricciardo (inevitably) ending up with less wins or WDCs as Verstappen will mean he made the wrong choice.He will know better than anyone that the team was leaning heavily towards Max. Whilst he's never explicitly stated it, he has alluded to leaving due to realising he won't get the same opportunities going forward at RBR.
Leaving was a roll of the dice, see out a profitable career as a wingman and inevitably get screwed over by your team now and again, or look for another challenge. Realistically neither is likely to give him WDCs now, but he can at least know he has a chance elsewhere should he luck in to a car at the sharp end at some point.
The #2 seat at RBR really is the worst seat in F1. Albon could have carved a decent career in F1 with more time in the B team, but it's looking more and more likely that his time in F1 will be cut short due to his early promotion.
Things don't always work out as they perhaps should, he may never get a fair shot. But if he does, I can see him at very least being a title challenger.
It also seems quite likely that the car design is very much tailored to MV's style or at least it happens to suit him. It has noticeably more rake than any other car on the grid. Maybe it is a car that simply doesn't work for most drivers.
I feel that Gasly at least is definitely better than that car made him look. Kyv was pretty quick in it from the off but crashed into a lot of stuff (well, vettel mainly). Albon, juries still out for me. He was damn quick in lower formulas but wasn't in the Torro Rosso for long enough to conclude how he'll do in F1. I don't think RB are doing these young guys any favours by bringing them to the top seat so quickly. Max at least got a full season and a bit under his belt at TR first.
Not quite sure where they go from here. Maybe Kyv for final part of season otherwise what are their plans for him? He has plenty of seasons under his belt now.
I thought it was a good race today, but that second safety car ruined the race. Should of been VSC just like they had earlier, it was getting interesting as Lewis and Max had gone really long on there mediums and then you had Perez catching Riccardo, after the stops it just evened it out again and go super boring. Do they think a safety car spices things up, according to Crofty it did, i think it ruined the race ffs!
Gad-Westy said:
Definitely a bit of poisoned chalice. Looking at Kyv, Gasly and Albon, the pattern is pretty similar. Pressure from the off and when results don't immediately come, the overdriving seems to creep in and things get worse.
It also seems quite likely that the car design is very much tailored to MV's style or at least it happens to suit him. It has noticeably more rake than any other car on the grid. Maybe it is a car that simply doesn't work for most drivers.
I feel that Gasly at least is definitely better than that car made him look. Kyv was pretty quick in it from the off but crashed into a lot of stuff (well, vettel mainly). Albon, juries still out for me. He was damn quick in lower formulas but wasn't in the Torro Rosso for long enough to conclude how he'll do in F1. I don't think RB are doing these young guys any favours by bringing them to the top seat so quickly. Max at least got a full season and a bit under his belt at TR first.
Not quite sure where they go from here. Maybe Kyv for final part of season otherwise what are their plans for him? He has plenty of seasons under his belt now.
Albon’s so good he was shuffled off to formula e before Riciardo upset the applecart. It also seems quite likely that the car design is very much tailored to MV's style or at least it happens to suit him. It has noticeably more rake than any other car on the grid. Maybe it is a car that simply doesn't work for most drivers.
I feel that Gasly at least is definitely better than that car made him look. Kyv was pretty quick in it from the off but crashed into a lot of stuff (well, vettel mainly). Albon, juries still out for me. He was damn quick in lower formulas but wasn't in the Torro Rosso for long enough to conclude how he'll do in F1. I don't think RB are doing these young guys any favours by bringing them to the top seat so quickly. Max at least got a full season and a bit under his belt at TR first.
Not quite sure where they go from here. Maybe Kyv for final part of season otherwise what are their plans for him? He has plenty of seasons under his belt now.
JayK12 said:
I thought it was a good race today, but that second safety car ruined the race. Should of been VSC just like they had earlier, it was getting interesting as Lewis and Max had gone really long on there mediums and then you had Perez catching Riccardo, after the stops it just evened it out again and go super boring. Do they think a safety car spices things up, according to Crofty it did, i think it ruined the race ffs!
Norris pulling off should have been a VSC at most, Coulthard called out the safety car as a Hollywood move by the stewards.ajprice said:
JayK12 said:
I thought it was a good race today, but that second safety car ruined the race. Should of been VSC just like they had earlier, it was getting interesting as Lewis and Max had gone really long on there mediums and then you had Perez catching Riccardo, after the stops it just evened it out again and go super boring. Do they think a safety car spices things up, according to Crofty it did, i think it ruined the race ffs!
Norris pulling off should have been a VSC at most, Coulthard called out the safety car as a Hollywood move by the stewards.
robbom3 said:
Yep, completely unnecessary. All they were trying to do was put Max on Lewis's tail. Artificial safety car, and completey ruined the race.
I don't see the point there was no way max was going to pass Lewis was pulling a second a lap previously what did they think would change......other than stone cold tyres
Daston said:
robbom3 said:
Yep, completely unnecessary. All they were trying to do was put Max on Lewis's tail. Artificial safety car, and completey ruined the race.
I don't see the point there was no way max was going to pass Lewis was pulling a second a lap previously what did they think would change......other than stone cold tyresIt was never particularly likely max would take the place but the SC bought several cars closer together, which does increase the likelihood of more battling. Plus the general drama of a race restarting from SC. I see what they were going for in terms of entertainment but it was a bit obvious and felt very contrived.. the race was already interesting enough imo.
TheDeuce said:
It was never particularly likely max would take the place but the SC bought several cars closer together, which does increase the likelihood of more battling. Plus the general drama of a race restarting from SC. I see what they were going for in terms of entertainment but it was a bit obvious and felt very contrived.. the race was already interesting enough imo.
It might just be my imagination but I feel like the SC is being deployed far more often now for 'entertainment purposes' as opposed to for a real safety need because the owners are from the USA. It all seems very American in much the same way that NASCAR like a green-white-chequered shootout or IndyCar throw cautions late in the Indy 500 for 'debris' that nobody can ever see.
I love a close finish, but not when it is falsely created.
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