Official 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Discussion
Horner's chickens coming home to roost;
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...
Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.
I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....
...just MHO, obvs.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...
Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.
I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....
...just MHO, obvs.
JonChalk said:
Horner's chickens coming home to roost;
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...
Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.
I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....
...just MHO, obvs.
I'm sure that Ferrari are very happy to piss all over Horner's chips for the above reasons.. However, even if they loved him they'd still resist the PU freeze for obvious reasons of their own. It's gonna take them some time to develop their current lady shaver PU back to competitive (legally) levels. The last thing they need is a another development freeze!https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...
Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.
I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....
...just MHO, obvs.
TheDeuce said:
I'm sure that Ferrari are very happy to piss all over Horner's chips for the above reasons.. However, even if they loved him they'd still resist the PU freeze for obvious reasons of their own. It's gonna take them some time to develop their current lady shaver PU back to competitive (legally) levels. The last thing they need is a another development freeze!
Good point - I hadn't really thought about it that way, but I suspect that your reasoning is stronger than just a desire to wind up RBR....JonChalk said:
Horner's chickens coming home to roost;
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...
Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.
I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....
...just MHO, obvs.
Well of course they don’t! https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...
Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.
I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....
...just MHO, obvs.
Ferrari have their own problems to sort out in the next couple of years, and Renault will quite enjoy playing the worlds smallest violin for Horner and Marko.
If RB want to take over the Honda IP, than Mr Mateschitz is going to have to get his cheque book out to fund its development. It’s very much their own fault, that they have few friends in the paddock.
Sandpit Steve said:
If RB want to take over the Honda IP, than Mr Mateschitz is going to have to get his cheque book out to fund its development. It’s very much their own fault, that they have few friends in the paddock.
The problem RBR have is that even with crazy money thrown at PU development, without Honda on board it'd take whoever heads up development a long time to figure out the existing PU's intricacies ahead of any form of forwards improvement. by the time they start to make headway the PU spec itself could be about to change again. Hence, they want to freeze development so that everyone else is stuck with what they've got too.I can't see them ever getting their way though. The other manufacturers want to continue to develop, and those three manufacturers together outweigh hirners influence, easily. And ultimately Ferrari still have their veto as a final method to block anything they really can't stomach. And they REALLY can't stomach a PU freeze given the state theirs is in.
Horner has lost this one.
Sandpit Steve said:
Probably another second or two to come as well. What car did hold the record on this layout?
1:20.411, Michael Schumacher (2004, F1, Scuderia Ferrari)Ahh.. my error that was with the prior circuit:
Length 4.959 km (3.081 mi)
Turns 22
vs post 2008:
Length 4.909 km (3.050 mi)
Turns 19
vaud said:
1:20.411, Michael Schumacher (2004, F1, Scuderia Ferrari)
Ahh.. my error that was with the prior circuit:
Length 4.959 km (3.081 mi)
Turns 22
vs post 2008:
Length 4.909 km (3.050 mi)
Turns 19
The track is very different now to how it was back in 2004, even though the length is almost the same. Ahh.. my error that was with the prior circuit:
Length 4.959 km (3.081 mi)
Turns 22
vs post 2008:
Length 4.909 km (3.050 mi)
Turns 19
They rebuilt the pits and start line, and re-profiled a lot of corners to make them slower and with more runoffs. There used to be a chicane just before the old pits, which is still visible in the middle of the new pits.
Whatever happens, we’ll certainly have a new track record this afternoon, and a new lap record tomorrow.
Fastest lap (previously) on the current layout
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
Boss GP, a 2006 Toro Rosso. 1.23...
Previous layout ( final chicane) Jenson 2004 1.19
Previous previous (no chicane at tamburello) Senna in 1994 1.21
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...
Boss GP, a 2006 Toro Rosso. 1.23...
Previous layout ( final chicane) Jenson 2004 1.19
Previous previous (no chicane at tamburello) Senna in 1994 1.21
TheDeuce said:
Sandpit Steve said:
If RB want to take over the Honda IP, than Mr Mateschitz is going to have to get his cheque book out to fund its development. It’s very much their own fault, that they have few friends in the paddock.
The problem RBR have is that even with crazy money thrown at PU development, without Honda on board it'd take whoever heads up development a long time to figure out the existing PU's intricacies ahead of any form of forwards improvement. by the time they start to make headway the PU spec itself could be about to change again. Hence, they want to freeze development so that everyone else is stuck with what they've got too.I can't see them ever getting their way though. The other manufacturers want to continue to develop, and those three manufacturers together outweigh hirners influence, easily. And ultimately Ferrari still have their veto as a final method to block anything they really can't stomach. And they REALLY can't stomach a PU freeze given the state theirs is in.
Horner has lost this one.
Ferrari meanwhile aren't going to agree to anything less than parity.
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