Official 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**

Official 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**

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JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Horner's chickens coming home to roost;

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...

Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.

I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....

...just MHO, obvs.

TheDeuce

21,916 posts

67 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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JonChalk said:
Horner's chickens coming home to roost;

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...

Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.

I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....

...just MHO, obvs.
I'm sure that Ferrari are very happy to piss all over Horner's chips for the above reasons.. However, even if they loved him they'd still resist the PU freeze for obvious reasons of their own. It's gonna take them some time to develop their current lady shaver PU back to competitive (legally) levels. The last thing they need is a another development freeze!


JonChalk

6,469 posts

111 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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TheDeuce said:
I'm sure that Ferrari are very happy to piss all over Horner's chips for the above reasons.. However, even if they loved him they'd still resist the PU freeze for obvious reasons of their own. It's gonna take them some time to develop their current lady shaver PU back to competitive (legally) levels. The last thing they need is a another development freeze!
Good point - I hadn't really thought about it that way, but I suspect that your reasoning is stronger than just a desire to wind up RBR....

Sandpit Steve

10,172 posts

75 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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JonChalk said:
Horner's chickens coming home to roost;

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/153196/renault-j...

Ferrari & Renault won't support RBR's desire to takeover the Honda IP, and then freeze engine rules, so they can get some use out of doing so.

I guess if you've spent the early part of your meteoric rise thru F1 success lording over others, making snide comments and then generally suggesting that everyone else needs to do a better job, then ensuring that everyone know it's not your fault when you stop winning, whilst simultaneously insinuating everyone else has an unfair advantage, then you're not going to garner much support for anything that benefits you and no-one else.....

...just MHO, obvs.
Well of course they don’t!

Ferrari have their own problems to sort out in the next couple of years, and Renault will quite enjoy playing the worlds smallest violin for Horner and Marko.

If RB want to take over the Honda IP, than Mr Mateschitz is going to have to get his cheque book out to fund its development. It’s very much their own fault, that they have few friends in the paddock.

TheDeuce

21,916 posts

67 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
If RB want to take over the Honda IP, than Mr Mateschitz is going to have to get his cheque book out to fund its development. It’s very much their own fault, that they have few friends in the paddock.
The problem RBR have is that even with crazy money thrown at PU development, without Honda on board it'd take whoever heads up development a long time to figure out the existing PU's intricacies ahead of any form of forwards improvement. by the time they start to make headway the PU spec itself could be about to change again. Hence, they want to freeze development so that everyone else is stuck with what they've got too.

I can't see them ever getting their way though. The other manufacturers want to continue to develop, and those three manufacturers together outweigh hirners influence, easily. And ultimately Ferrari still have their veto as a final method to block anything they really can't stomach. And they REALLY can't stomach a PU freeze given the state theirs is in.

Horner has lost this one.

Sandpit Steve

10,172 posts

75 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Lewis just found half a second, on his second flying lap on the softs. That came out of nowhere.

vaud

50,700 posts

156 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Already 6 seconds inside the lap record...

Sandpit Steve

10,172 posts

75 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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vaud said:
Already 6 seconds inside the lap record...
Probably another second or two to come as well. What car did hold the record on this layout?

Deesee

8,476 posts

84 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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vaud said:
Already 6 seconds inside the lap record...
Bring back the v10’s! hehe

These are rapid..

vaud

50,700 posts

156 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
Probably another second or two to come as well. What car did hold the record on this layout?
1:20.411, Michael Schumacher (2004, F1, Scuderia Ferrari)

Ahh.. my error that was with the prior circuit:
Length 4.959 km (3.081 mi)
Turns 22

vs post 2008:
Length 4.909 km (3.050 mi)
Turns 19

MartG

20,706 posts

205 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Really brings home the length of Kimi's career !


Sandpit Steve

10,172 posts

75 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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vaud said:
1:20.411, Michael Schumacher (2004, F1, Scuderia Ferrari)

Ahh.. my error that was with the prior circuit:
Length 4.959 km (3.081 mi)
Turns 22

vs post 2008:
Length 4.909 km (3.050 mi)
Turns 19
The track is very different now to how it was back in 2004, even though the length is almost the same.

They rebuilt the pits and start line, and re-profiled a lot of corners to make them slower and with more runoffs. There used to be a chicane just before the old pits, which is still visible in the middle of the new pits.

Whatever happens, we’ll certainly have a new track record this afternoon, and a new lap record tomorrow.

Deesee

8,476 posts

84 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Fastest lap (previously) on the current layout

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v...

Boss GP, a 2006 Toro Rosso. 1.23...

Previous layout ( final chicane) Jenson 2004 1.19

Previous previous (no chicane at tamburello) Senna in 1994 1.21

antonio.cocchi

172 posts

45 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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JonChalk said:
OMG, I had forgotten what a fantastic, narrow track this is!
Imola is really a challenging track. I use to go in motorcycles in it, maybe next year I will try with the caterham.

Deesee

8,476 posts

84 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Practice..



Pierre..



The yellow and green with the Honda on the visor (happy memories)...

Sandpit Steve

10,172 posts

75 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Deesee said:
Pierre..



The yellow and green with the Honda on the visor (happy memories)...
Didn’t notice that, what a lovely tribute.

Deesee

8,476 posts

84 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Sandpit Steve said:
Deesee said:
Pierre..



The yellow and green with the Honda on the visor (happy memories)...
Didn’t notice that, what a lovely tribute.
Top shot






Leithen

10,990 posts

268 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Sandpit Steve said:
If RB want to take over the Honda IP, than Mr Mateschitz is going to have to get his cheque book out to fund its development. It’s very much their own fault, that they have few friends in the paddock.
The problem RBR have is that even with crazy money thrown at PU development, without Honda on board it'd take whoever heads up development a long time to figure out the existing PU's intricacies ahead of any form of forwards improvement. by the time they start to make headway the PU spec itself could be about to change again. Hence, they want to freeze development so that everyone else is stuck with what they've got too.

I can't see them ever getting their way though. The other manufacturers want to continue to develop, and those three manufacturers together outweigh hirners influence, easily. And ultimately Ferrari still have their veto as a final method to block anything they really can't stomach. And they REALLY can't stomach a PU freeze given the state theirs is in.

Horner has lost this one.
The only way this would work would be for power unit equalisation to be agreed, as has happened in the past. However, this would require continued development of the Honda PU to match Mercedes, and Red Bull won't be able to do that on their own. It's unlikely Mercedes would agree to neuter their own PU either.

Ferrari meanwhile aren't going to agree to anything less than parity.

SmoothCriminal

5,074 posts

200 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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Albon 9th in the 2nd fastest car over a second slower than max. Embarrassing

Mr_Thyroid

1,995 posts

228 months

Saturday 31st October 2020
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covboy said:
I might assume that circuits/organisers would pay less to F1 for 2 days rather than 3 Or am I not living in a real world ? smile
It might be that most circuits operate at a loss on Friday so will be better off anyway. I don't know.