Official 2020 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
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thegreenhell said:
It certainly removed a degree of jeopardy. He only had a second, or perhaps slightly less, ahead of the pitstop delta at the time of the VSC, so it would have required a perfect pitstop for him to come out just ahead of Bottas on track. The VSC bought him an extra five seconds of breathing space. However, without the VSC he would probably have stayed out a few more laps and increased the gap further before stopping with more in hand.
Agreed, my feeling was that 1-sec did not allow for much margins given that the Merc team tend to operate on the “get it right first time, even if it costs a couple of seconds” principle.However, Lewis had had a lot of time to work out that Valteri was slightly hobbled and so able to save his tyres for the charge. IIRC it was exactly what Shuey used to do with Bridgestones and refuelling, if he did not have pole.
It's worth noting that the stop under the VSC took 2.9 seconds - pretty slow. So a stop without the VSC would have been incredibly tight -and there was lots of traffic Hamilton would have had to lap which would likely have reduced the delta had he tried to extend. It wasn't a total cut-and-dried situation.
Piginapoke said:
Interesting, thanks Deuce. I also wonder if there is F1 fatigue, after so many races so close together.
Yes ,have no idea where the 4 remaining races are being held , my only interest was 2 English races and 3 Italian .Thread too long to read but.....
This time last week , F1 drivers said......."Yay ,we're racing at Imola ,all that history ,
"About 5 laps in , a certain multiple champion said , "It's really difficult to follow here "
There's no pleasing some people .
Pericoloso said:
Piginapoke said:
Interesting, thanks Deuce. I also wonder if there is F1 fatigue, after so many races so close together.
Yes ,have no idea where the 4 remaining races are being held , my only interest was 2 English races and 3 Italian .Thread too long to read but.....
This time last week , F1 drivers said......."Yay ,we're racing at Imola ,all that history ,
"About 5 laps in , a certain multiple champion said , "It's really difficult to follow here "
There's no pleasing some people .
(Jokes, the next four are being held in the 18th century - slim chance of rain, good chance of some local flogging/stoning and/or a dribble of dictatorship).
TheDeuce said:
The next four are in Italy too
(Jokes, the next four are being held in the 18th century - slim chance of rain, good chance of some local flogging/stoning and/or a dribble of dictatorship).
I had to go and look where they are being held .(Jokes, the next four are being held in the 18th century - slim chance of rain, good chance of some local flogging/stoning and/or a dribble of dictatorship).
At least the Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari had been given a spruce up since I saw it 13 months ago .
ETA......my weather forecast from middle of last week was at least accurate too .
Edited by Pericoloso on Monday 2nd November 19:45
Pericoloso said:
TheDeuce said:
The next four are in Italy too
(Jokes, the next four are being held in the 18th century - slim chance of rain, good chance of some local flogging/stoning and/or a dribble of dictatorship).
I had to go and look where they are being held .(Jokes, the next four are being held in the 18th century - slim chance of rain, good chance of some local flogging/stoning and/or a dribble of dictatorship).
At least the Autodromo Internazionale Enzo e Dino Ferrari had been given a spruce up since I saw it 13 months ago .
The second round at Bahrain might well be worth watching at least. It's likely to be the sort of GP race that only comes alone once in a blue moon and is at least interesting due to how different it is from the norm. The lap times should be hilarious - they've set it at 87 laps, it's gonna be fast paced one way or the other..
thegreenhell said:
It certainly removed a degree of jeopardy. He only had a second, or perhaps slightly less, ahead of the pitstop delta at the time of the VSC, so it would have required a perfect pitstop for him to come out just ahead of Bottas on track. The VSC bought him an extra five seconds of breathing space. However, without the VSC he would probably have stayed out a few more laps and increased the gap further before stopping with more in hand.
Not quite true. I had the live timing up on my laptop. VB had already been told he was 1 second ‘unsafe’ over a lap before the stop. LH then put in some very quick purple sectors and pulled an additional second in one lap alone. By the time the VSC was deployed he already had over two seconds in hand. It would have taken a problem with one of the wheels for him not to have come out in the lead.
Paul_M3 said:
thegreenhell said:
It certainly removed a degree of jeopardy. He only had a second, or perhaps slightly less, ahead of the pitstop delta at the time of the VSC, so it would have required a perfect pitstop for him to come out just ahead of Bottas on track. The VSC bought him an extra five seconds of breathing space. However, without the VSC he would probably have stayed out a few more laps and increased the gap further before stopping with more in hand.
Not quite true. I had the live timing up on my laptop. VB had already been told he was 1 second ‘unsafe’ over a lap before the stop. LH then put in some very quick purple sectors and pulled an additional second in one lap alone. By the time the VSC was deployed he already had over two seconds in hand. It would have taken a problem with one of the wheels for him not to have come out in the lead.
Paul_M3 said:
thegreenhell said:
It certainly removed a degree of jeopardy. He only had a second, or perhaps slightly less, ahead of the pitstop delta at the time of the VSC, so it would have required a perfect pitstop for him to come out just ahead of Bottas on track. The VSC bought him an extra five seconds of breathing space. However, without the VSC he would probably have stayed out a few more laps and increased the gap further before stopping with more in hand.
Not quite true. I had the live timing up on my laptop. VB had already been told he was 1 second ‘unsafe’ over a lap before the stop. LH then put in some very quick purple sectors and pulled an additional second in one lap alone. By the time the VSC was deployed he already had over two seconds in hand. It would have taken a problem with one of the wheels for him not to have come out in the lead.
FeelingLucky said:
Paul_M3 said:
thegreenhell said:
It certainly removed a degree of jeopardy. He only had a second, or perhaps slightly less, ahead of the pitstop delta at the time of the VSC, so it would have required a perfect pitstop for him to come out just ahead of Bottas on track. The VSC bought him an extra five seconds of breathing space. However, without the VSC he would probably have stayed out a few more laps and increased the gap further before stopping with more in hand.
Not quite true. I had the live timing up on my laptop. VB had already been told he was 1 second ‘unsafe’ over a lap before the stop. LH then put in some very quick purple sectors and pulled an additional second in one lap alone. By the time the VSC was deployed he already had over two seconds in hand. It would have taken a problem with one of the wheels for him not to have come out in the lead.
For once he really did just get lucky in the end. But until he did, he very clearly wasn't hanging around waiting to get lucky.
FeelingLucky said:
This was exactly my reading of the situation. But for the VSC I'm sure LH would have stayed out at least two more laps, the VSC just made it a no brainer, not gifted him the lead, as some have wrongly suggested.
Plus the team knew they did not need to rush the pit stop as the VSC was deployed. I am sure they would have done the pit stop faster if they knew every part of a second counted. Either way I think Lewis would have won. Wasn't the lucky one Bottas as he got second which he would no way have got if Max's tyre had not gone bang!iandc said:
FeelingLucky said:
This was exactly my reading of the situation. But for the VSC I'm sure LH would have stayed out at least two more laps, the VSC just made it a no brainer, not gifted him the lead, as some have wrongly suggested.
Plus the team knew they did not need to rush the pit stop as the VSC was deployed. I am sure they would have done the pit stop faster if they knew every part of a second counted. Either way I think Lewis would have won. Wasn't the lucky one Bottas as he got second which he would no way have got if Max's tyre had not gone bang!Does that mean that about 2% of the ferrari car crossed the line at exactly the same time he did though..?
Piginapoke said:
They've been a bit dull (minor placings aside) and I wonder if people are still tuning in. Last weekend I lasted until Lewis lucked into the lead & then switched off.
One mans' dull is another man's 'interesting'. Personally I think this season has been one of the most enjoyable to watch and probably one of the most exciting regardless the dominance of Mercedes / Hamilton.Deesee said:
That snapped pretty bloody fast didn't it! It makes me think twice about the recent 'Could you keep up with the safety car in a modern F1 car' thread recently, I might not be quite as confident now 
StevieBee said:
One mans' dull is another man's 'interesting'. Personally I think this season has been one of the most enjoyable to watch and probably one of the most exciting regardless the dominance of Mercedes / Hamilton.
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