Saudi Arabia added to 2021 calender
Discussion
NDA said:
Will features of the track have their own names? Such as we might have Lavant or Eau Rouge?
Stoning Chicane?
Amputation run off area?
Beheading corner?
Lashing pits?
Torture hospitality area?
I assume the sainted F1 drivers (may God bless them for their words of profound wisdom) are so intoxicated by their own presence that they will ignore what is going on in the country? It will be odd to see them taking the knee in such a place.
nah mate, they got rid of max moseley.Stoning Chicane?
Amputation run off area?
Beheading corner?
Lashing pits?
Torture hospitality area?
I assume the sainted F1 drivers (may God bless them for their words of profound wisdom) are so intoxicated by their own presence that they will ignore what is going on in the country? It will be odd to see them taking the knee in such a place.
It must be quite surreal if you're one of these tyrants to have the f1 circus turn up and be quite chummy and then have a little protest america/the west episode.
"Change" my bumhole, they'll be laughing their heads off.
Teddy Lop said:
nah mate, they got rid of max moseley.
It must be quite surreal if you're one of these tyrants to have the f1 circus turn up and be quite chummy and then have a little protest america/the west episode.
"Change" my bumhole, they'll be laughing their heads off.
They are trying to change. Only a few years ago they were hiring consultants to advise on what a modern police force, social system, etc could look like.It must be quite surreal if you're one of these tyrants to have the f1 circus turn up and be quite chummy and then have a little protest america/the west episode.
"Change" my bumhole, they'll be laughing their heads off.
They aren’t going to fundamentally change but they will need new sources of income as the oil revenue reduces... and to avoid unrest from the citizens. They seem more intent on slightly opening up and being slightly more liberal versus increasing conservatism and oppression. I stress slightly.
vaud said:
They are trying to change. Only a few years ago they were hiring consultants to advise on what a modern police force, social system, etc could look like.
They aren’t going to fundamentally change but they will need new sources of income as the oil revenue reduces... and to avoid unrest from the citizens. They seem more intent on slightly opening up and being slightly more liberal versus increasing conservatism and oppression. I stress slightly.
As the oil revenue reduces...exactly !They aren’t going to fundamentally change but they will need new sources of income as the oil revenue reduces... and to avoid unrest from the citizens. They seem more intent on slightly opening up and being slightly more liberal versus increasing conservatism and oppression. I stress slightly.
Eric Mc said:
I'll forgive the F1 circus if the drivers are willing to "Take the Knee" in support of women's rights just before the race.
Forgive the F1 circus for what exactly? Endless despicable things happen in London most weeks - I work there occasionally, do I need your forgiveness too..?F1 is a business Eric. They go to where the customer waves the bank notes, as does every business. F1 doesn't need forgiving because of whatever else Saudi Arabia gets up to outside of F1. That is SA's problem and responsibility.
F1 would only need forgiveness for going to SA if doing so would somehow worsen the situation over there, which it just won't. There is however a slim chance that it could be be a small part of a greater awaking amongst the middle east in terms of human rights.
You seem to assume that because we aren't perfect in the UK, British citizens have no right to point out the imperfectness of others.
If that really is the case, then we are doomed.
There are different levels of imperfectness. Of course we have our faults - but that does not remove the right for us to criticise or point out worse faults elsewhere - especially when those faults are clear and obvious government policy.
And to justify immoral and despicable behaviour on the grounds that it is "business" is frankly shocking to me.
This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
If that really is the case, then we are doomed.
There are different levels of imperfectness. Of course we have our faults - but that does not remove the right for us to criticise or point out worse faults elsewhere - especially when those faults are clear and obvious government policy.
And to justify immoral and despicable behaviour on the grounds that it is "business" is frankly shocking to me.
This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
Eric Mc said:
You seem to assume that because we aren't perfect in the UK, British citizens have no right to point out the imperfectness of others.
If that really is the case, then we are doomed.
There are different levels of imperfectness. Of course we have our faults - but that does not remove the right for us to criticise or point out worse faults elsewhere - especially when those faults are clear and obvious government policy.
And to justify immoral and despicable behaviour on the grounds that it is "business" is frankly shocking to me.
This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
I didn't say we shouldn't point out what is wrong elsewhere, we should.If that really is the case, then we are doomed.
There are different levels of imperfectness. Of course we have our faults - but that does not remove the right for us to criticise or point out worse faults elsewhere - especially when those faults are clear and obvious government policy.
And to justify immoral and despicable behaviour on the grounds that it is "business" is frankly shocking to me.
This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
I didn't justify despicable behavioy as 'business'. I justified normal business behaviour as business.
You're basically saying that F1 shouldn't go anywhere unless it takes a stand against all issues when it gets there - which means it can't really go anywhere. And by the same logic I assume you think that a bloke that works for one charity is an absolute a
hole due to not working for every other charity? F1 is in the business of travelling the globe and running races. It goes wherever makes financial sense. The behaviour of others in certain places has sod all to do with F1 and all F1 is there to endorse is racing and the business of motorsport.
You've also massively missed the sensible points made throughout this thread. It's not about identifying and acknowledging what we already know to be problems in SA, it's about whether or not F1 does any harm by going, or even if it could do some good.
I think a generation of SA students watching female garage crew at work on their home soil might somewhat influence their stance on a few things in a decade or so's time when some of those generation have to become influential and law makers...
Your view seems to be that it's wrong to do anything about problems until the problems are solved
Eric Mc said:
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This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
Ha!This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
100% right..... totally agree.
NDA said:
Eric Mc said:
Y
This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
Ha!This year in particular, the F1 tribe has chosen to make a point about taking a stand on the abuse of human rights regarding black lives. I have no problem with that. But why can't they take a similar strand on women's rights?
Or do moral stands vary depending on the "business equation"?
100% right..... totally agree.
No one should criticise that unless they're personally willing to give up their working life in order to permanently campaign for every single cause they can think of or is presented to them.
anonymous said:
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Even before the modern 'democratic' invasions to bring 'peace' (!?!?), Britain was for centuries one of the nastiest and most aggressive countries on the planet. Everything was about securing wealth by dumbing down other nations aspirations and taking ownership of them. Which you know what, I completely understand and forgive - because at the time the race was on to build the ultimate empire and that's just how people viewed life. Those who conquered had to be right, otherwise they wouldn't be successful in conquering... At the time, it all felt necessary and justified 'for Britain'.A couple of hundred years has changed views in Britain beyond belief quite frankly. Which is why my shoulders sag when people on here say that the middle east should be avoided because their views are not particularly modern... I mean, c'mon, if you really believe that then obviously get behind sending a massive dollop of western culture over there in the form of F1!! Scorning their ways from a distance and then boycotting them is basically just watching a mess play out and not caring to get involved in helping the situation improve.
anonymous said:
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Of course they do. And trust me, after having worked the majority of my life jetting around the place I have no particular love of 'being British' with the stty weather and national trait or jealousy and oneupmanship that I honestly haven't experienced anywhere else around the world other than some parts of America.I loved my time in Jordan. There is so much positive about the middle Eastern cultures that isn't dramatic enough to upset the old farts on here that trundle to Waitrose one a week to buy a copy of the daily mail....
Personally I plan to do another ten years in the film industry, sell off some property and probably self build in Greece. Pretty much anywhere other than this turd hole will do. The more I've travelled, the more stupid I've felt returning home each time.
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