Saudi Arabia added to 2021 calender

Saudi Arabia added to 2021 calender

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FourWheelDrift

83,180 posts

256 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Other than the crazy collection of photoshopped cars on track and disappearing armco and safety trees, where does the roller coaster go after it goes under the bridge?

TheDeuce

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38 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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StevieBee said:
Sandpit Steve said:
Expect the Saudis to spend a *LOT* of money on the facility and the race, the government there is building an enormous tourist resort and this will be the centrepiece of it. The race will be advertised absolutely everywhere as they try and attract inbound tourism, something that wasn’t allowed expect for religious pilgrimages until last year.
There is a quiet, positive revolution happening in Saudi... or at least trying to happen. Traditionalists are a dyeing breed and there's long been recognition that the country needs to start to prepare for a post-oil existence and align more with western norms.

I've been to Jeddah couple of times and know where the circuit is being planned. It should be OK. Jeddah is a very cosmopolitan city, completely different to Riyadh. People are more western-orientated and western-influenced. It's a nice place and were it not for the lack of a beer, I'd be happy to spend a week there as a tourist. I'm told that there are moves to permit alcohol for tourists.

There's also a big car-culture there, unlike Azerbaijan.

Whilst I'd rather see more races at the sort of tracks we've seen this year, I wouldn't write this off as a pure money making exercise.
Culture exports and merges very rapidly in the internet world...

Another way to share and spread what we consider a better set of cultural practices is to export sports such as F1 in to such places. They're changing now more than ever as they increasingly are drawn in to aspects of western culture.

There is a good argument that places such as Saudi Arabia are a positive place for F1 to head to.

thegreenhell

9,855 posts

191 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Or it's just another hot, dusty sthole with some money to buy a race. And F1 loves money.

TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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thegreenhell said:
Or it's just another hot, dusty sthole with some money to buy a race. And F1 loves money.
It's definitely the money too! No hiding that...

abzmike

4,581 posts

78 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Well Aramco is spending a bomb on sponsorship this year - possibly part of the package.

MB140

3,061 posts

75 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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I wonder if Lewis Hamilton will be taking a knee and saying women’s lives matter. Or homosexuals lives matter. I bet not he will happily take the cash.

It’s a bloody disgrace and F1 shouldn’t be associated with a country that treats its citizens that way. I won’t be watching that one (I know it will make not one shrewd of difference).

A bit like the boxing. I refused to pay to watch the last AJ fight that was out there and I’m a massive fan of the boxing.

As for the circuit. Couldn’t give a st.

Jasandjules

66,956 posts

201 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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What a pity F1 appears to have no scruples after all. I wonder if WeRaceAsOne is just empty rhetoric

TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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Jasandjules said:
What a pity F1 appears to have no scruples after all. I wonder if WeRaceAsOne is just empty rhetoric
Why is western sport heading to places that don't uphold western standards a bad thing? If you don't send that influence over there, they have nothing to be influenced by.. Other than a 2000 year old fairytale.

The entire region is changing incredibly fast. Each new adult generation takes a bigger step forward in liberalness than the last. It's good for cultures to mix and take from one another, even if at the starting point there are incompatibilities of opinion.

Deesee

5,527 posts

55 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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50 million USD per annum, 15 yr agreement, oh and the state oil company is already a key partner/sponsor..

It would not surprise me if they also purchased a team in the next few seasons.


TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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Deesee said:
50 million USD per annum, 15 yr agreement, oh and the state oil company is already a key partner/sponsor..

It would not surprise me if they also purchased a team in the next few seasons.
Maybe...

One wonders how they justify such commitments to a sport that's planning to shift to fuel that doesn't use the crude oil they sell. Although clearly they somehow have decided it's worth doing.

kevinon

405 posts

32 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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MB140 said:
I wonder if Lewis Hamilton will be taking a knee and saying women’s lives matter. Or homosexuals lives matter. I bet not he will happily take the cash.

It’s a bloody disgrace and F1 shouldn’t be associated with a country that treats its citizens that way. I won’t be watching that one (I know it will make not one shrewd of difference).

A bit like the boxing. I refused to pay to watch the last AJ fight that was out there and I’m a massive fan of the boxing.

As for the circuit. Couldn’t give a st.
This.

I'd suggest SA's $50 m annual fee to F1 will have zero effect on how the rest of the world looks on them. But F1 will have sold it as a way to window dress their image and 'show a different picture to the world'. There's a better chance of Prince Andrew becoming a beloved national treasure.

Deesee

5,527 posts

55 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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TheDeuce said:
Deesee said:
50 million USD per annum, 15 yr agreement, oh and the state oil company is already a key partner/sponsor..

It would not surprise me if they also purchased a team in the next few seasons.
Maybe...

One wonders how they justify such commitments to a sport that's planning to shift to fuel that doesn't use the crude oil they sell. Although clearly they somehow have decided it's worth doing.
Perhaps, I’d imagine that crude oil has other uses, perhaps a few we have not quite worked out yet.

F1 is a great way of showcasing your country to a worldwide audience, admittedly I do try and stay out of F1 politics, but there would be perhaps a handful of country’s that would deserve a GP, that are not corrupt, a dictatorship, treat its citizens fairly, this is almost like showcasing an olympics in 1930’s Germany.

Anyway, Role on the 2022 Pyongyang GP...

Schermerhorn

4,159 posts

161 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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SmoothCriminal said:
They'll sell their soul for a $.

Instead of spraying champagne when they win they'll be stoning homosexuals and women convicted of adulteration.
A tad dramatic, no?

Or are you always like this?

Schermerhorn

4,159 posts

161 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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MB140 said:
I wonder if Lewis Hamilton will be taking a knee and saying women’s lives matter. Or homosexuals lives matter. I bet not he will happily take the cash.

It’s a bloody disgrace and F1 shouldn’t be associated with a country that treats its citizens that way. I won’t be watching that one (I know it will make not one shrewd of difference).

A bit like the boxing. I refused to pay to watch the last AJ fight that was out there and I’m a massive fan of the boxing.

As for the circuit. Couldn’t give a st.
What about the "enlightened" Western countries who spread "democracy" around the world or sell arms to other countries who in turn bomb other poor countries, like say Saudi Arabia and the UAE bombing Yemen and starving 8,000,000 people to the brink of a human catastrophe?

Do you take the moral high ground then too?

Or is it just reserved for countries who dont let women show their t*ts off in public?


TheDeuce

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Thursday 5th November 2020
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Deesee said:
Anyway, Role on the 2022 Pyongyang GP...
If he paid F1 to go there it probably would rofl

A nuclear missile flyover at the race start followed by 100k fans in the stands that sit motionless and silent until their leader claims he mentally steered Lewis to victory and is subsequently applauded smile

Deesee

5,527 posts

55 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Looks like we have an update on the layout



3/4 DRS zones... Tilkes finest work..

vaud

42,436 posts

127 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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I misread that as boycotts audi gp wink

True, but they also race:

In first world countries with an active death penalty (US, Japan, Bahrain, Singapore)
In places with appalling records on fair trials with 99% conviction rates (Japan)
Or high levels of corruption and drugs (Mexico, Brazil, etc)

Shameless but where do you draw the lines on morals for where you hold a race?

vaud

42,436 posts

127 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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Deesee said:
It would not surprise me if they also purchased a team in the next few seasons.
Or buy F1...

Deesee

5,527 posts

55 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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vaud said:
Shameless but where do you draw the lines on morals for where you hold a race?
Pretty much Canada at present. (Also Japan, I think). They seem like nice civilised places.

Deesee

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55 months

Thursday 5th November 2020
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vaud said:
Deesee said:
It would not surprise me if they also purchased a team in the next few seasons.
Or buy F1...
Yes..indeed..small change for them.