Official 2020 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread **SPOILERS**
Discussion
p1stonhead said:
CanAm said:
Have you played the interview above? Straight from the man himself.
I can’t remember who I saw interviewed but they said it’s not possible. See below. Doesn’t look like it’s possible. Grosjean was probably just confused.
glazbagun said:
Watch Romains motions as he talks of his escape. He came out the top of the halo, twisting his body, then having both hands on the halo. He's not talking about the gap in the side.
It’s going to be very interesting to read the report on this one - apparently the FIA will carry out an investigation in the style of a plane crash, under a team led by Sir Patrick Head. One of the key aspects will be survivability. Looking at the angle in the picture above, he must have had to be quite contorted in order to extract himself from the car. If he’d been unable to get himself out, it would have been a fair few seconds longer until the fire was out and someone could pull him clear. For all that the Halo hampered the extraction, without it he’d have likely been unconscious and reliant on others anyway. I think the other big issue will be the design of the barrier itself. Given how solid and ‘pointy’ the modern F1 car has become, should we be using Armco barriers any more at Grade 1 circuits?
Thankfully we had just about the best possible outcome here - everything worked as it should, and the fireproof suit, helmet and balaclava prevented serious burn and smoke injuries. Dr. Roberts said that his biggest immediate concern was smoke inhalation, which causes internal burns to the lungs, but in fact no smoke made it into Grosjean’s helmet. I suspect a new standard for fireproof gloves coming for next year though.
Sandpit Steve said:
glazbagun said:
Watch Romains motions as he talks of his escape. He came out the top of the halo, twisting his body, then having both hands on the halo. He's not talking about the gap in the side.
It’s going to be very interesting to read the report on this one - apparently the FIA will carry out an investigation in the style of a plane crash, under a team led by Sir Patrick Head. One of the key aspects will be survivability. Looking at the angle in the picture above, he must have had to be quite contorted in order to extract himself from the car. If he’d been unable to get himself out, it would have been a fair few seconds longer until the fire was out and someone could pull him clear. For all that the Halo hampered the extraction, without it he’d have likely been unconscious and reliant on others anyway. I think the other big issue will be the design of the barrier itself. Given how solid and ‘pointy’ the modern F1 car has become, should we be using Armco barriers any more at Grade 1 circuits?
Thankfully we had just about the best possible outcome here - everything worked as it should, and the fireproof suit, helmet and balaclava prevented serious burn and smoke injuries. Dr. Roberts said that his biggest immediate concern was smoke inhalation, which causes internal burns to the lungs, but in fact no smoke made it into Grosjean’s helmet. I suspect a new standard for fireproof gloves coming for next year though.
p1stonhead said:
I read an article about the gloves and boots the other day. They have to be a certain thickness really and no more for feel and being able to press all the buttons. Therefore they’ll never likely be rated as highly as the suit itself.
Yes, they can’t be too think because they need to operate all the fiddly switches, and feel the hand clutch and pedals. The gloves also contain medical sensors, measuring heart rate, blood pressure etc, data which goes back to the medical car team. This being F1, there will now be a few dozen materials scientists working on finding something equally dexterous but more fireproof. Which in a decade’s time will be £50 a pair and worn by every club racer.
glazbagun said:
p1stonhead said:
Watch Romains motions as he talks of his escape. He came out the top of the halo, twisting his body, then having both hands on the halo. He's not talking about the gap in the side.Sandpit Steve said:
I think the other big issue will be the design of the barrier itself. Given how solid and ‘pointy’ the modern F1 car has become, should we be using Armco barriers any more at Grade 1 circuits?
The Armco allowed the car (or some of it) to pass through and then very nearly prevented the driver from getting out.Not a great choice for that location at the very least.
swisstoni said:
Sandpit Steve said:
I think the other big issue will be the design of the barrier itself. Given how solid and ‘pointy’ the modern F1 car has become, should we be using Armco barriers any more at Grade 1 circuits?
The Armco allowed the car (or some of it) to pass through and then very nearly prevented the driver from getting out.Not a great choice for that location at the very least.
glazbagun said:
Watch Romains motions as he talks of his escape. He came out the top of the halo, twisting his body, then having both hands on the halo. He's not talking about the gap in the side.
He also talked about taking his gloves off outside the car. When he came over the fence, he did not have his HANS attached to his helmet. I thought that perhaps he had removed the gloves in the car to release the clips either side, he did not mention what happened to his HANS, but perhaps that was also something that restricted his exit.
It is consistent with him saying that he could not extract without twisting his body. Some of the space must have deformed.
Whatever, it is incredible that he escaped, virtually without injury. Before we got any detail, I thought that the explosive force that must have happened on impact would have seen him off. To those of us who remember pictures of Lauda and Petterson’s crashes, this seemed to be at a completely different level of ferocity.
rdjohn said:
saaby93 said:
what happened to tyre walls?
They are there for this week’s race, complete with conveyor belt to catapult an errant car back onto the circuit. Rather like Hubert.I take it theyre not there for this weeks race.
That crash barrier did seem to be angled across flow of errant traffic rather than allowing slip
saaby93 said:
rdjohn said:
saaby93 said:
what happened to tyre walls?
They are there for this week’s race, complete with conveyor belt to catapult an errant car back onto the circuit. Rather like Hubert.I take it theyre not there for this weeks race.
That crash barrier did seem to be angled across flow of errant traffic rather than allowing slip
That being said though, I also acknowledge what I've said earlier about a fire being extremely rare now and a collision with tyres seems much less likely to cause the kind of damage that makes a fire possible.
antspants said:
Petrus1983 said:
Mercedes via Toto has offered Romain a drive in the January tests to ensure his F1 career doesn’t end in that accident. Awesome stuff.
Yes it's a nice gesture on their part and if he's going to choose a car to finish in it may as well be the best one. antspants said:
Petrus1983 said:
Mercedes via Toto has offered Romain a drive in the January tests to ensure his F1 career doesn’t end in that accident. Awesome stuff.
Yes it's a nice gesture on their part and if he's going to choose a car to finish in it may as well be the best one. Teddy Lop said:
antspants said:
Petrus1983 said:
Mercedes via Toto has offered Romain a drive in the January tests to ensure his F1 career doesn’t end in that accident. Awesome stuff.
Yes it's a nice gesture on their part and if he's going to choose a car to finish in it may as well be the best one. 
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