Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

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Pizzaeatingking

437 posts

35 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Interesting looking guy.

As much as I'd love to see all 20 seats taken by the top drivers in the world, it never has and never will be like that. Without the Mazepin & Strolls of the world the F1 grid would be much smaller, no RP, possibly no Hass, would Williams have survived without Latifi & Strolls cash? We should be thankful for that I suppose.

DanielSan

16,055 posts

131 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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aston80 said:
Another Latithi...... great
He's a better driver than Latifi from the small bit of him I've seen. He's been pretty quick in F2. Didn't he finish 2nd last year in the championship? Cash or not no driver is a mug if they're managing that

wibble cb

2,349 posts

171 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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DanielSan said:
aston80 said:
Another Latithi...... great
He's a better driver than Latifi from the small bit of him I've seen. He's been pretty quick in F2. Didn't he finish 2nd last year in the championship? Cash or not no driver is a mug if they're managing that
Latifi finished 2019 as runner up, was it all money, or was there a modicum of talent (not in the Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel bracket, obviously)

WickerBill

784 posts

12 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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wibble cb said:
DanielSan said:
aston80 said:
Another Latithi...... great
He's a better driver than Latifi from the small bit of him I've seen. He's been pretty quick in F2. Didn't he finish 2nd last year in the championship? Cash or not no driver is a mug if they're managing that
Latifi finished 2019 as runner up, was it all money, or was there a modicum of talent (not in the Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel bracket, obviously)
When looking at F2 and comparing driver performances people need to remember how many years experience drivers have in the category. Mazepin has been there for a few years now so should be performing better than first year drivers.....(think Latifi was a second year driver in 2019)

Smollet

6,228 posts

154 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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WickerBill said:
When looking at F2 and comparing driver performances people need to remember how many years experience drivers have in the category. Mazepin has been there for a few years now so should be performing better than first year drivers.....(think Latifi was a second year driver in 2019)
It took iirc Palmer 4 attempts to win it. It took Russell just one. End of argument re talent

Smiljan

8,760 posts

161 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Mick Schumacher confirmed as a Haas driver also.

Ahonen

4,754 posts

243 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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They could have put Perez and Hulk in, both of whom have a very good understanding of what a car needs to do and get along okay as people. Two rookies might be good for the bank balance but historically that strategy doesn't work well from a results and development perspective.

There are those who feel Schumacher junior is the Second Coming but I don't really see it - but maybe that's the old cynic in me showing through.

Munter

30,455 posts

205 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Ahonen said:
They could have put Perez and Hulk in, both of whom have a very good understanding of what a car needs to do and get along okay as people. Two rookies might be good for the bank balance but historically that strategy doesn't work well from a results and development perspective.

There are those who feel Schumacher junior is the Second Coming but I don't really see it - but maybe that's the old cynic in me showing through.
They also said they are not developing next years car after Jan, moving to focus on the new regulations for the year after.

So next years basically a write off for the team, might as well take some cash, sit it out and decide what to do for the year after.

Kraken

1,645 posts

164 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Just goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time. There's constant whining from fans about drivers hogging seats and others not getting a chance but when they do they whine about that as well.

Ahonen

4,754 posts

243 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Munter said:
They also said they are not developing next years car after Jan, moving to focus on the new regulations for the year after.

So next years basically a write off for the team, might as well take some cash, sit it out and decide what to do for the year after.
Oh I didn't know that. Makes sense, I guess.

sociopath

1,319 posts

30 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Look at it this way, when he doesn't do well, we might at least get some decent fisticuffs

Brainpox

3,045 posts

115 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Kraken said:
Just goes to show that you can't please all the people all the time. There's constant whining from fans about drivers hogging seats and others not getting a chance but when they do they whine about that as well.
That's not quite true though, is it? Fans complain about drivers hogging seats, and those drivers that do get through tend to have rich daddies.

What fans want is the best drivers in the world, not the wealthiest. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

Brainpox

3,045 posts

115 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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sociopath said:
Look at it this way, when he doesn't do well, we might at least get some decent fisticuffs
A couple of people on reddit were talking about him clashing with Verstappen. That would be worth seeing.

Someone else mentioned Hamilton, who is built like a brick sthouse this year. That would be funny as well.

geeks

6,701 posts

103 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Smollet said:
WickerBill said:
When looking at F2 and comparing driver performances people need to remember how many years experience drivers have in the category. Mazepin has been there for a few years now so should be performing better than first year drivers.....(think Latifi was a second year driver in 2019)
It took iirc Palmer 4 attempts to win it. It took Russell just one. End of argument re talent
Have you ever watched more than the odd F2 race? While what you have said is true it's not really the reality, even in F2 there are front and back running teams, there are teams that great at car setup and driver management (Prema, Carlin) and those that are not (Trident, BWT) although it does flex a little on that front

DanielSan

16,055 posts

131 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Munter said:
They also said they are not developing next years car after Jan, moving to focus on the new regulations for the year after.

So next years basically a write off for the team, might as well take some cash, sit it out and decide what to do for the year after.
If they can afford to do it that's a wise move, it's a no pressure season for 2 rookie drivers to learn and get upto speed. It will be interesting to see whether the team remains as Haas or whether Mazepin Snr. buys the team for 22 onwards?

Dermot O'Logical

1,067 posts

93 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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mat205125 said:
Mark13 said:
I am not sure why people are picking on Perez, who merits a drive in F1.

Any drivers finishing top 6 in a feeder Formula are legitimately in the running for a seat.

IMO the likes of Vettel should be thinking of retirement after his woeful efforts this season.
Quite right ref feeder series. No matter how deep the pockets of your backer, you don't put a foot on the podium with cash alone
Top 6 in a "feeder" series won't get enough points to qualify for a Superlicence. Winning, or finishing runner-up in a qualifying series will, but that takes money and talent.

Lance Stroll performed well enough to qualify for a Superlicence, as, obviously, did Latifi and Mazepin. The FIA learned the lessons of the past, and made sure that drivers in their premier series should have demonstrated their abilities first.

None of which explains Pastor Maldonado, but Superlicence qualification has been tightened up since he last graced the F1 grid.

budgie smuggler

4,288 posts

123 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Jonny_ said:
By all accounts he's an absolute lunatic with a nasty temperament. Should make things interesting, especially if the Haas performs as "well" as it has this season...! Fully expect to see Mazepin and Gunther having a proper sweary set-to in front of the cameras.

I'd much rather have seen Perez get a drive though.
Sounds like a total helmet to be honest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/...

Munter

30,455 posts

205 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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budgie smuggler said:
Sounds like a total helmet to be honest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/...
But apart from being an aggressive, violent, homophobic, racist, sexpest, spoilt kid. He's probably a nice guy right?

PorkInsider

4,673 posts

105 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Munter said:
budgie smuggler said:
Sounds like a total helmet to be honest.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/k4snkn/...
But apart from being an aggressive, violent, homophobic, racist, sexpest, spoilt kid. He's probably a nice guy right?
Yep. A proper .

F1 slipping further down the pan...

Ahonen

4,754 posts

243 months

Wednesday 2nd December 2020
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Munter said:
But apart from being an aggressive, violent, homophobic, racist, sexpest, spoilt kid. He's probably a nice guy right?
Rough diamond. He's not a bad lad, just misunderstood. Never forgets Mothers' Day.