Haas chose Russia’s Nikita Mazepin

[Smollet]

CoolHands said:

I'm looking forward to having him in F1. With Grosjean, Maldenado etc gone we need someone else to create a bit of drama

Fred is back

[The Moose]

JohnnyUK said:

The Moose said:

JohnnyUK said:

I have written to Haas Corporate, Haas F1, Liberty Media, FIA and F1 Corporate including their "Compliance" team.

I don't for one second think it will make a difference, but I feel marginally better for doing so.....

Dear Haas

If you let marzipan drive in 2021 I shall be forced to buy my CNC machines from one of your competitors (and then do burnouts in your parking lot)

Love Johnny

Hehe. I always sign my ranting emails as "Mr Johnny".

I do apologize Mr Johnny Esq.

[Fundoreen]

Haas are a strange team.They put together an unpredictable death trap car then blame the racing drivers and sack them.
Seems they have changed tack and employed rich kids and funneled the cash to getting someone capable in on the technical side.
Shame the actual good drivers they had till now wont benefit but are lucky to escape intact.
Regardless of marzipan they are doing the right thing now.

[JohnnyUK]

The Moose said:

JohnnyUK said:

The Moose said:

JohnnyUK said:

I have written to Haas Corporate, Haas F1, Liberty Media, FIA and F1 Corporate including their "Compliance" team.

I don't for one second think it will make a difference, but I feel marginally better for doing so.....

Dear Haas

If you let marzipan drive in 2021 I shall be forced to buy my CNC machines from one of your competitors (and then do burnouts in your parking lot)

Love Johnny

Hehe. I always sign my ranting emails as "Mr Johnny".

I do apologize Mr Johnny Esq.

Hi All

I received the following reply from the F1 Corporate Team:

"Dear John

Thanks for taking the time to reach out.

Formula 1 strongly agrees with the statement made by Haas F1 that the behaviour of Nikita Mazepin cannot in any way be condoned. Not only did the actions visible on Social Media go against all we are trying to achieve with our Diversity and Inclusion programme we have being running for the past 18 months, but also defies basic human principles.

Haas have confirmed that they have dealt with this issue directly and internally with Mr Mazepin and it is right that the employer of any individual handles matters like this in line with its own HR guidelines.

Best Regards"

I guess we'll see if his behaviour improves on & off the track.

[SturdyHSV]

However unlikely, it'll be really awkward if he turns out to be fantastically good and continues to be a prick, both for the ongoing media interactions at the time, but also in terms of 'the history books'. "Utter bd turns out to be really rather better than everyone else, continues to be a bd"

Isn't this what some people seemingly wanted? Posting up Hamilton / Hunt comparisons because Hamilton is polite and 'dresses funny', compared to Hunt who got pissed and shagged about like a 'real man', what could be more of a 'real man' than being a knuckle dragging playboy tt like this guy?

Presumably it'll be another example of how "it was different back then" and any fights and so on when the old school were pissed were just gentlemanly scuffles interspersed with treating women with the utmost respect

[kiseca]

SturdyHSV said:

However unlikely, it'll be really awkward if he turns out to be fantastically good and continues to be a prick, both for the ongoing media interactions at the time, but also in terms of 'the history books'. "Utter bd turns out to be really rather better than everyone else, continues to be a bd"

Isn't this what some people seemingly wanted? Posting up Hamilton / Hunt comparisons because Hamilton is polite and 'dresses funny', compared to Hunt who got pissed and shagged about like a 'real man', what could be more of a 'real man' than being a knuckle dragging playboy tt like this guy?

Presumably it'll be another example of how "it was different back then" and any fights and so on when the old school were pissed were just gentlemanly scuffles interspersed with treating women with the utmost respect

The difference is, Hunt had charisma. That means he can do the same stuff (womanising, punching marshalls...) and be a lovable cad, whereas Mazepin ends up just being a thug. Or maybe once he is on TV he'll show some charisma too and be able to elevate himself to rebel.

[vaud]

kiseca said:

The difference is, Hunt had charisma. That means he can do the same stuff (womanising, punching marshalls...) and be a lovable cad, whereas Mazepin ends up just being a thug. Or maybe once he is on TV he'll show some charisma too and be able to elevate himself to rebel.

The difference also is that it was a different era.

Hunt was appalling to his wife and had the same media existed then he would have been less loved, I think.

[Steamer]

vaud said:

kiseca said:

The difference is, Hunt had charisma. That means he can do the same stuff (womanising, punching marshalls...) and be a lovable cad, whereas Mazepin ends up just being a thug. Or maybe once he is on TV he'll show some charisma too and be able to elevate himself to rebel.

The difference also is that it was a different era.

Hunt was appalling to his wife and had the same media existed then he would have been less loved, I think.

Very much so (sorry going off on a Hunt tangent) But I only recently heard that Hunt performed a nazi salute to the German crowds when they boo'ed because he had a mechanical issue..

.. I think that might be a 'career ender' these days.

[LucyP]

Mazepin was always safe.

Haas Automation Inc. sells machine tools to industry, not magic healing crystals to Gwyneth Paltrow. It's USP is price. I doubt their kind of customer, who is mainly based in the USA, and probably knows everything about NASCAR, and nothing about F1, really cares that allegedly some young Russian racing driver groped an attractive girl, in unknown circumstances, but was probably neither underage nor forced into the car. He isn't the first 21 year old to do it, and he won't be the last.

Haas F1 is funded mainly by Gene's own money, which I think he is pretty tired of spending, especially on drivers like Magnussen and Grosjean, who were about as effective as Hartley and Palmer and whose crash records made Maldonado and Kobayashi look like members of the Institute of Advanced Motorists.

I think that Gene would like to off-load the team, and that Mazepin senior might be the next Lawrence Stroll.

[n3il123]

Obviously on an all out charm offensive

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[Munter]

n3il123 said:

Obviously on an all out charm offensive

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Mazapin out of context said:

when I lower the visor, I don't think

Yep that sounds like him.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

mat205125 said:

Quite right ref feeder series. No matter how deep the pockets of your backer, you don't put a foot on the podium with cash alone

Depends on the difference the driver actually makes in the current cars.

[C350Akra]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Depends on the difference the driver actually makes in the current cars.

Don't tell me you think they make no difference? If they made no difference both team cars would qualify with the exact same time and cross the finish line together. They never do, therefore the difference is the driver.

[Munter]

C350Akra said:

Don't tell me you think they make no difference? If they made no difference both team cars would qualify with the exact same time and cross the finish line together. They never do, therefore the difference is the driver.

But only to an extent. Laptime difference between front and back of the grid is clearly dominated by the car. The HaaS is going to be near the back with Williams if this year's form is anything to go by regardless of the driver.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

C350Akra said:

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Depends on the difference the driver actually makes in the current cars.

Don't tell me you think they make no difference? If they made no difference both team cars would qualify with the exact same time and cross the finish line together. They never do, therefore the difference is the driver.

Can we drop the strawman please. I didn't tell you they make no difference. Read my post again.

Go and look at the relative delta for driver 1 and driver 2 and contrast this with the best team laps for qauli and race.

Then come back and tell us where the biggest delta exists.

[Nampahc Niloc]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

mat205125 said:

Quite right ref feeder series. No matter how deep the pockets of your backer, you don't put a foot on the podium with cash alone

Depends on the difference the driver actually makes in the current cars.

The same difference they’ve always made. In fact, given how close the cars are these days (and yes they are extremely close despite Mercedes dominance) the driver is even more important. It’s not the cars that mean the drivers make less difference, it’s the drivers themselves. Because it is now so much more professional than in the past, and they all start so young, the difference between the drivers who make it to the top is much smaller.

[C350Akra]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

C350Akra said:

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Depends on the difference the driver actually makes in the current cars.

Don't tell me you think they make no difference? If they made no difference both team cars would qualify with the exact same time and cross the finish line together. They never do, therefore the difference is the driver.

Can we drop the strawman please. I didn't tell you they make no difference. Read my post again.

Go and look at the relative delta for driver 1 and driver 2 and contrast this with the best team laps for qauli and race.

Then come back and tell us where the biggest delta exists.

I have quoted your post exactly and completely. In a single team the difference between the cars is the driver because the two cars are the same. There may be set up differences but that is controlled (to a great extent) by the driver. I am not talking about the cars of different teams.

[C70R]

C350Akra said:

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

C350Akra said:

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

Depends on the difference the driver actually makes in the current cars.

Don't tell me you think they make no difference? If they made no difference both team cars would qualify with the exact same time and cross the finish line together. They never do, therefore the difference is the driver.

Can we drop the strawman please. I didn't tell you they make no difference. Read my post again.

Go and look at the relative delta for driver 1 and driver 2 and contrast this with the best team laps for qauli and race.

Then come back and tell us where the biggest delta exists.

I have quoted your post exactly and completely. In a single team the difference between the cars is the driver because the two cars are the same. There may be set up differences but that is controlled (to a great extent) by the driver. I am not talking about the cars of different teams.

That's really not always true.

There have been numerous instances in recent years, most notably in top teams, where it was public knowledge that cars were designed and set up to suit the style of the 'lead' driver. Red Bull's 'high rake' is one such example last season.

[C350Akra]

C70R said:

That's really not always true.

There have been numerous instances in recent years, most notably in top teams, where it was public knowledge that cars were designed and set up to suit the style of the 'lead' driver. Red Bull's 'high rake' is one such example last season.

You have just proved my point, the car suits one driver better than the other, thus it is the driver that makes the difference, the car is the same for both.

[kiseca]

C70R said:

That's really not always true.

There have been numerous instances in recent years, most notably in top teams, where it was public knowledge that cars were designed and set up to suit the style of the 'lead' driver. Red Bull's 'high rake' is one such example last season.

I would say it happens a lot that the car suits one driver more than the other, but I'd say the reason is nearly always because the designer felt this was the fastest car they could design, and then one of the drivers happened to be better suited to get the most out of that.

When Rosberg went to McLaren, he really struggled to get up to speed in that car, something he and the team only really got on top of for the last race. Up until that point, he couldn't touch Prost. The MP4/2s always had a lot of traction and the battle was always with understeer. That suited Prost's smooth style but didn't suit Rosberg's flamboyant style. However, those cars weren't designed around Prost. They were that way because John Barnard felt that lots of traction made a faster car, so his cars always had really well tied down back axles. He felt the fastest combination was a car with traction, and a driver whose style would get the most of it. Hence, he really didn't get on that well with Schumacher in the brief time they worked together at Ferrari.

Later on, either Irvine or Barrichello did say something about how difficult the car was to drive because it's designed around Schumacher's extreme style and preference for an absolutely nailed front axle and a back axle that he could move around. But that's the only example I am aware of where it has even been suggested that the car's core design (as opposed to setup) was tailored for a particular driver's preferences.

I'm pretty sure that the current Red Bull is the way it is because Newey thinks that's the fastest car he could build, not because they thought it's the concept that would best suit Max. It just happens to be that Max is capable of getting more out of that concept than Albon was.