Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

Haas chose Russiaโ€™s Nikita Mazepin

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MartG

17,738 posts

169 months

Tuesday
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ajprice said:


hehe
Bloody hell ! If Taki thinks he's slow... loser

Joey Deacon

3,533 posts

141 months

Tuesday
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TheDeuce said:
The penalty was hilarious, his pace is hilarious... Although I fear some day soon he's going to cause an incident that won't be hilarious at all...

I'd love to be wrong about that but it seems inevitable.
This is the issue, he is so far out of his depth that he is a potential liability to other drivers. Drivers like Lewis and Max have stated they will race hard against each other as they know the other will not do something stupid.

Would you want to be lapping MAZ when you have no idea if he has even seen you?

Can you imagine the carnage if they ever reversed the grids like they were proposing?

HustleRussell

19,171 posts

125 months

Tuesday
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MartG said:
ajprice said:


hehe
Bloody hell ! If Taki thinks he's slow... loser
Taki Inoue dreams of being only 2.5s off pole and 0.5s off his teammate. His deficit was larger than those by a factor of two or three.

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Tuesday
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Joey Deacon said:
TheDeuce said:
The penalty was hilarious, his pace is hilarious... Although I fear some day soon he's going to cause an incident that won't be hilarious at all...

I'd love to be wrong about that but it seems inevitable.
This is the issue, he is so far out of his depth that he is a potential liability to other drivers. Drivers like Lewis and Max have stated they will race hard against each other as they know the other will not do something stupid.

Would you want to be lapping MAZ when you have no idea if he has even seen you?

Can you imagine the carnage if they ever reversed the grids like they were proposing?
I imagine the other drivers are all pretty thankful that he's in the slowest car for that reason. He's as out of the way as possible at least...

The sprint races will be interesting though, pretty much everyone will have to lap him - unless he picks up his pace, in which case he will crash.

SpudLink

3,558 posts

157 months

Tuesday
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sandman77 said:
kiseca said:
Just watch them at Monaco. They'll come back with scuff marks on all four tyres there. Some drivers even know where the armco support posts are so they know where they can brush the barrier a bit harder and it will give, and where they need to brush it really gently because it won't.
I’ve heard it all now. Lol
Doesn't sound that outlandish to me. Driver's take a calculated risk. If they know they can skim a barrier with little risk of losing time or damaging the car, they will take the risk. If they know there is a solid post at a specific point, then the risk of damaging the car is higher, and they will factor that into whether the potential time gained being a millimetre from the barrier is worth the risk.

Angpozzuto

510 posts

74 months

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I can't help but wonder what mazapin thinks of his lack of pace, surely even he must be thinking that he's in over his head

RacerMike

2,870 posts

176 months

Tuesday
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SpudLink said:
sandman77 said:
kiseca said:
Just watch them at Monaco. They'll come back with scuff marks on all four tyres there. Some drivers even know where the armco support posts are so they know where they can brush the barrier a bit harder and it will give, and where they need to brush it really gently because it won't.
I’ve heard it all now. Lol
Doesn't sound that outlandish to me. Driver's take a calculated risk. If they know they can skim a barrier with little risk of losing time or damaging the car, they will take the risk. If they know there is a solid post at a specific point, then the risk of damaging the car is higher, and they will factor that into whether the potential time gained being a millimetre from the barrier is worth the risk.
BS. They'll know where the barriers you really don't want to hit are, but actually touching the barrier is going to be unintentional. Sure you want to be as close as you can get for an ideal line, but actually making contact is sub optimal for many reasons, not least the risk of damage.

So no....they won't 'know where the support posts are so they can brush the barrier there'. They will know where they should give the armco a wide berth.

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Tuesday
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Angpozzuto said:
I can't help but wonder what mazapin thinks of his lack of pace, surely even he must be thinking that he's in over his head
I mean... He must have noticed it's not going well rofl


ch37

7,223 posts

186 months

Tuesday
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RacerMike said:
BS. They'll know where the barriers you really don't want to hit are, but actually touching the barrier is going to be unintentional. Sure you want to be as close as you can get for an ideal line, but actually making contact is sub optimal for many reasons, not least the risk of damage.

So no....they won't 'know where the support posts are so they can brush the barrier there'. They will know where they should give the armco a wide berth.
I've heard this anecdote before as well, I'm sure Brundle has mentioned it and I can't imagine him making it up for giggles.

kiseca

8,910 posts

184 months

Tuesday
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RacerMike said:
SpudLink said:
sandman77 said:
kiseca said:
Just watch them at Monaco. They'll come back with scuff marks on all four tyres there. Some drivers even know where the armco support posts are so they know where they can brush the barrier a bit harder and it will give, and where they need to brush it really gently because it won't.
I’ve heard it all now. Lol
Doesn't sound that outlandish to me. Driver's take a calculated risk. If they know they can skim a barrier with little risk of losing time or damaging the car, they will take the risk. If they know there is a solid post at a specific point, then the risk of damaging the car is higher, and they will factor that into whether the potential time gained being a millimetre from the barrier is worth the risk.
BS. They'll know where the barriers you really don't want to hit are, but actually touching the barrier is going to be unintentional. Sure you want to be as close as you can get for an ideal line, but actually making contact is sub optimal for many reasons, not least the risk of damage.

So no....they won't 'know where the support posts are so they can brush the barrier there'. They will know where they should give the armco a wide berth.
I didn't mean so they know which barriers they can push a little and which ones they can push a lot. I mean so they know which ones they can get a bit tight because it will flex, and which ones will punish them. So yes, as you say, where they need to give the barrier a bit more respect.

Schumacher used to come back to the pits from qualifying at Monaco with scuff marks on all four tyres. That's according to Ross Brawn and published in the book "Monaco".

I can't remember where I read - or heard - about the drivers checking where the support posts are but it was in reference to a track walk and it was a driver who said it. Maybe Coulthard, but I can't remember. I just found the statement interesting and remembered it.

pablo

15,553 posts

238 months

Tuesday
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Most of the infrastructure is temporary, there are some good pictures here https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2069452-how-mo...

Some of the red and white kerb is permanent but what is a well supported Armco barrier one year may be different the next.

The current generation of cars are about 1.5 metres longer compared to the mid nineties, there is much more wing in front of the front wheels these days too, the circuit has barely changed.... anyone touching the barriers now is very much not intentional

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Tuesday
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TheDeuce said:
Angpozzuto said:
I can't help but wonder what mazapin thinks of his lack of pace, surely even he must be thinking that he's in over his head
I mean... He must have noticed it's not going well rofl
This just came up on my YT feed and reveals a little as to how he rates himself - he thinks he's perhaps not as good as Max Verstappen: https://youtu.be/1nvKWOmaQps?t=311

Was a bit of an unfair question to be asked of course, I don't think there is a good answer!

Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 4th May 14:56

95 fiesta si

1,174 posts

117 months

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Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Tuesday
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95 fiesta si said:
Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed
He's unlikely to improve much either - he's had considerably more time in an F1 car over the last couple of years than his team mate, you wouldn't know it.

kiseca

8,910 posts

184 months

Tuesday
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pablo said:
Most of the infrastructure is temporary, there are some good pictures here https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2069452-how-mo...

Some of the red and white kerb is permanent but what is a well supported Armco barrier one year may be different the next.

The current generation of cars are about 1.5 metres longer compared to the mid nineties, there is much more wing in front of the front wheels these days too, the circuit has barely changed.... anyone touching the barriers now is very much not intentional
Yeah I don't think it's ever intentional, I think it's that to eke the absolute last ounce of speed out around the track they get as close as they possibly can, and given they aren't absolutely perfect that means once they get their eye in they will be brushing it quite consistently. But if it's a barrier has no give, they can easily break a suspension component, so they'll give those ones just a bit more space. If it's a barrier with a little bit of give, they won't care if they are brushing it a little harder.

Someone, I think on PH, once said they were at the circuit and could feel the barrier flex whenever Schumacher or Hakkinen went past, because they were getting it that tight, lap after lap. They are doing it to get as close as possible, and the best of them are accurate enough that this means that lap after lap they will just brush it.Likely not even hard enough for them to feel it most of the time.


Edited by kiseca on Tuesday 4th May 16:13

mw88

219 posts

76 months

Tuesday
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95 fiesta si said:
Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed
He's finished 2 out of 3 races, so far he's doing better than Yuji Ide. Don't see him being replaced before Monaco, so won't take Ide's crown laugh

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Tuesday
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mw88 said:
95 fiesta si said:
Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed
He's finished 2 out of 3 races, so far he's doing better than Yuji Ide. Don't see him being replaced before Monaco, so won't take Ide's crown laugh
He can't be replaced at all really, not unless his Dad chooses someone else.. We might be stuck with this guy for a while.

StevieBee

9,651 posts

220 months

Tuesday
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95 fiesta si said:
Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed
Wasn't there some Israeli bloke who drove for Minardi who was something like 12 seconds a lap off the pace of the next slowest car?

Others I can think of would include Giovanna Amati, Luca Badoer, Alex Yoong - I'm sure there's been many others.

TheDeuce

9,108 posts

31 months

Tuesday
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StevieBee said:
95 fiesta si said:
Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed
Wasn't there some Israeli bloke who drove for Minardi who was something like 12 seconds a lap off the pace of the next slowest car?

Others I can think of would include Giovanna Amati, Luca Badoer, Alex Yoong - I'm sure there's been many others.
Not uniquely crap then. Just crap.

KR158

470 posts

124 months

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StevieBee said:
95 fiesta si said:
Possibly one of the slowest drivers I can remember on F1 all be it in the slowest car I know, but comparing qualifying and race pace to the other Hass along with the frequent grass cutting, F1 is beyond his ability to succeed
Wasn't there some Israeli bloke who drove for Minardi who was something like 12 seconds a lap off the pace of the next slowest car?

Others I can think of would include Giovanna Amati, Luca Badoer, Alex Yoong - I'm sure there's been many others.
It was Chanoch Nissany, father of current Williams test driver Roy. I seem to remember he bought himself the test driver role, pootled around for a bit & then, just, disappeared. It wasn't all bad however, the press corps christened him "Stirling Mossad" roflrofl I still find this WAY funnier than I've any right too!