Does Mercedes need Lewis now ?
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tozerman said:
I'm a fan of George Russell like many on here.
However turning up and driving a car honed/developed by arguably the best ever F1 driver is completely different to driving a car developed by someone who isn't.
You're assuming on awful lot on the part of Hamilton and degrading the people behind the scenes with that comment. Does that mean that every driver who drove a car designed with Adrian Newey in the team was on par with Hamilton then?However turning up and driving a car honed/developed by arguably the best ever F1 driver is completely different to driving a car developed by someone who isn't.
Besides it's irrelevant whether he developed the car or not. The average dry quali time difference between Bottas and Hamilton is 0.08 and Russell is 0.02 behind Bottas in a car that doesn't fit him, he doesn't fully understand and is still pressing the wrong buttons on.
Kraken said:
tozerman said:
I'm a fan of George Russell like many on here.
However turning up and driving a car honed/developed by arguably the best ever F1 driver is completely different to driving a car developed by someone who isn't.
You're assuming on awful lot on the part of Hamilton and degrading the people behind the scenes with that comment. Does that mean that every driver who drove a car designed with Adrian Newey in the team was on par with Hamilton then?However turning up and driving a car honed/developed by arguably the best ever F1 driver is completely different to driving a car developed by someone who isn't.
Besides it's irrelevant whether he developed the car or not. The average dry quali time difference between Bottas and Hamilton is 0.08 and Russell is 0.02 behind Bottas in a car that doesn't fit him, he doesn't fully understand and is still pressing the wrong buttons on.
WonkeyDonkey said:
Hamilton brings more to Mercedes than just his skill behind the wheel.
since the modern inception in 2010 Mercedes have had a "big name" in the seat - before Lewis it was Schumacher and like most of the top teams its probably something they value. Bottas so far has failed miserably at achieving any gravitas and I think for that reason a bottas/Russell lineup has limited appeal to merc.The question facing George is how does he attain some status in a pile that's so far off the pace he simply can't do anything with it to get noticed? I wonder if Toto would secretly like for George to utterly smash bottas to lend him a little "stardust"
Teddy Lop said:
since the modern inception in 2010 Mercedes have had a "big name" in the seat - before Lewis it was Schumacher and like most of the top teams its probably something they value. Bottas so far has failed miserably at achieving any gravitas and I think for that reason a bottas/Russell lineup has limited appeal to merc.
The question facing George is how does he attain some status in a pile that's so far off the pace he simply can't do anything with it to get noticed? I wonder if Toto would secretly like for George to utterly smash bottas to lend him a little "stardust"
Not sure it matters. Toto and the others in the pitlane are able to nuance the contribution of team, car and driver. It's only the tards in the outside world who can't pick these elements apart and go on endlessly confused about what they are watching.The question facing George is how does he attain some status in a pile that's so far off the pace he simply can't do anything with it to get noticed? I wonder if Toto would secretly like for George to utterly smash bottas to lend him a little "stardust"
Catatafish said:
Not sure it matters. Toto and the others in the pitlane are able to nuance the contribution of team, car and driver. It's only the tards in the outside world who can't pick these elements apart and go on endlessly confused about what they are watching.
the tards in the outside world ultimately pay everyones wages though, one can of energy drink at a time.
Graveworm said:
A view from an unlikely source
I'm not sure it's an unlikely source as turkeys don't vote for Christmas and he's right the top guys make the crucial differences at the pivotal moments hence the big bucks that he and Lewis get. You only have to look at how far Lewis is ahead on points to Bottas but how close Verstappen is to Bottas to see that, ditto for Verstappen vs Albon.
Lewis help tune and setup this car to be dominant.
Iirc McLaren had a dog of a car in 2009 starting the season 2 seconds off the pole setter. Near the end of the season Lewis was getting wins.
Button a WDC in his own right. Couldn't and has never been for one to help develop a dominant car due to his specific driving style that he finds hard to adapt compared to other wdcs. Hence McLaren went to sheet.
Iirc McLaren had a dog of a car in 2009 starting the season 2 seconds off the pole setter. Near the end of the season Lewis was getting wins.
Button a WDC in his own right. Couldn't and has never been for one to help develop a dominant car due to his specific driving style that he finds hard to adapt compared to other wdcs. Hence McLaren went to sheet.
The thing to bear in mind with Lewis is; bang average in the latter McLaren years and was beaten by a bloke who gave up as soon as he beat him at Merc, and he beat him far more than Bottas has. In by far the best car for almost a decade!!
We all know that if Max, Vettel, Leclerc was in that car he would not have the wins, titles etc.
But he got himself in that position and did the work to earn it, just liek Michael, and he did it farier and without crashing into everyone.
He is lucky yes, but is also damn good Just not sure if he is as good as the records show for me., number of races and immensely dominant car have skewed it, and remember he was a little fortunate to win his first one, he only won it on the last damn corner after making a monumental error in China, but this is picking hairs.
We all know that if Max, Vettel, Leclerc was in that car he would not have the wins, titles etc.
But he got himself in that position and did the work to earn it, just liek Michael, and he did it farier and without crashing into everyone.
He is lucky yes, but is also damn good Just not sure if he is as good as the records show for me., number of races and immensely dominant car have skewed it, and remember he was a little fortunate to win his first one, he only won it on the last damn corner after making a monumental error in China, but this is picking hairs.
Moobs said:
Lewis help tune and setup this car to be dominant.
Iirc McLaren had a dog of a car in 2009 starting the season 2 seconds off the pole setter. Near the end of the season Lewis was getting wins.
Button a WDC in his own right. Couldn't and has never been for one to help develop a dominant car due to his specific driving style that he finds hard to adapt compared to other wdcs. Hence McLaren went to sheet.
So the only possible reason a car could improved a season is because of what the driver was doing? They could save a fortune on all those engineers and designers if that was the case.Iirc McLaren had a dog of a car in 2009 starting the season 2 seconds off the pole setter. Near the end of the season Lewis was getting wins.
Button a WDC in his own right. Couldn't and has never been for one to help develop a dominant car due to his specific driving style that he finds hard to adapt compared to other wdcs. Hence McLaren went to sheet.
The comments about Button are so wide of the mark if you have ever read anything from those who worked with him it's not even worth the bother of correcting you.
LukeBrown66 said:
The thing to bear in mind with Lewis is; bang average in the latter McLaren years and was beaten by a bloke who gave up as soon as he beat him at Merc, and he beat him far more than Bottas has. In by far the best car for almost a decade!!
We all know that if Max, Vettel, Leclerc was in that car he would not have the wins, titles etc.
But he got himself in that position and did the work to earn it, just liek Michael, and he did it farier and without crashing into everyone.
He is lucky yes, but is also damn good Just not sure if he is as good as the records show for me., number of races and immensely dominant car have skewed it, and remember he was a little fortunate to win his first one, he only won it on the last damn corner after making a monumental error in China, but this is picking hairs.
Sure sweetheart We all know that if Max, Vettel, Leclerc was in that car he would not have the wins, titles etc.
But he got himself in that position and did the work to earn it, just liek Michael, and he did it farier and without crashing into everyone.
He is lucky yes, but is also damn good Just not sure if he is as good as the records show for me., number of races and immensely dominant car have skewed it, and remember he was a little fortunate to win his first one, he only won it on the last damn corner after making a monumental error in China, but this is picking hairs.
angrymoby said:
CustardOnChips said:
quite the achievement considering that Lewis came in just as all the tobacco money left F1Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff