Does Mercedes need Lewis now ?
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WickerBill said:
BrundanBianchi said:
They never “needed” him. The car and team have been so far ahead of the pack, they could have achieved what they have with a one eyed, one legged, donkey in the car.
Really? 2017/2018 say otherwise. The Ferrari would have easily won without Hamilton in the MercGtom said:
Like he did in China in 2007?
I suspect that 13 years and 249 races of extra experience might have played a role in helping him come to a decision.It’s quite amusing that at that point of the 2007 season Lewis had the same number of Grand Prix under his belt as Nicholas Latiffi has now.
Regards Mike
WickerBill said:
Gtom said:
Like he did in China in 2007?
Lol.....13 years ago.....you’d think people would let that go by now, especially when he’s questioned strategy several times this year and stayed out when told to come in lol
In the end even if we could somehow determine GR was more talented - Lewis's sheer experience and confidence can tip the balance.
WickerBill said:
Gtom said:
Like he did in China in 2007?
Lol.....13 years ago.....you’d think people would let that go by now, especially when he’s questioned strategy several times this year and stayed out when told to come in lolI totally agree with you that Lewis would have stayed out. But the new boy parachuted in, looking to make a good impression for his future? He isn’t going to want to rock the boat and go against the team.
Gtom said:
My point being that Lewis was in his first year with his team, he trusted them and they got it wrong. Had George been at Mercedes as long as Lewis has he would have more than likely made the same call and stayed out.
I totally agree with you that Lewis would have stayed out. But the new boy parachuted in, looking to make a good impression for his future? He isn’t going to want to rock the boat and go against the team.
Oh I completely agree with you. Of course Russell is going to trust the team. I totally agree with you that Lewis would have stayed out. But the new boy parachuted in, looking to make a good impression for his future? He isn’t going to want to rock the boat and go against the team.
My point is that Lewis would probably have won today because of his experience. Russell is an incredible talent and he has proven that today, but one race doesn’t make 7 championships.
I’d love them to ditch Bottas next year and have GR aGAINST LH
A lot of the do mercedes really need lewis types seem to think the team grudgingly employs him and somehow
they dont value the 7 titles he won.
Maybe they are thinking of their own job situation where they are a bit of a knob but the boss has no choice.
Like efficient germans they are thinking ahead as nobody races forever and they know lewis has 2-3 years before calling it a day.
Maybe we will get a russell and hamilton line up where they tear strips off each other and max sneaks in for a title win at the end of the season.
But they were right there when Alonso met hamilton...
Big car changes in 2022 and maybe mercedes wont even be the top team.
The williams mercedes seems permenantly rubbish so it doesnt say much for Russell developing a car. He is ok
at driving someone elses very well.
Maybe he will take back some tips for his current team to help them move ahead next year like why is the screen not on the streering wheel???
they dont value the 7 titles he won.
Maybe they are thinking of their own job situation where they are a bit of a knob but the boss has no choice.
Like efficient germans they are thinking ahead as nobody races forever and they know lewis has 2-3 years before calling it a day.
Maybe we will get a russell and hamilton line up where they tear strips off each other and max sneaks in for a title win at the end of the season.
But they were right there when Alonso met hamilton...
Big car changes in 2022 and maybe mercedes wont even be the top team.
The williams mercedes seems permenantly rubbish so it doesnt say much for Russell developing a car. He is ok
at driving someone elses very well.
Maybe he will take back some tips for his current team to help them move ahead next year like why is the screen not on the streering wheel???
I think Lewis would've won today because he'd have had a 20+ second lead by the time he was called in for a "Safety stop". Merc wouldn't have had to double stack the cars, and would've had plenty of time to sort out their mistake, if they'd have even made it in the first place. Comfortable leads breed composure.
I think Merc need Lewis as much as he needs them...
/cynical
However a puncture at the end, well maybe Lewis not having to pit twice would mean someone else ran over the debris.
I think Merc need Lewis as much as he needs them...
/cynical
However a puncture at the end, well maybe Lewis not having to pit twice would mean someone else ran over the debris.
mattikake said:
I think Lewis would've won today because he'd have had a 20+ second lead by the time he was called in for a "Safety stop". Merc wouldn't have had to double stack the cars, and would've had plenty of time to sort out their mistake, if they'd have even made it in the first place. Comfortable leads breed composure.
I think Merc need Lewis as much as he needs them...
/cynical
However a puncture at the end, well maybe Lewis not having to pit twice would mean someone else ran over the debris.
In fairness, George was managing the gap behind just as Hamilton would have been.I think Merc need Lewis as much as he needs them...
/cynical
However a puncture at the end, well maybe Lewis not having to pit twice would mean someone else ran over the debris.
But, fabulous as George was today, it’s still just one race.
WickerBill said:
BrundanBianchi said:
They never “needed” him. The car and team have been so far ahead of the pack, they could have achieved what they have with a one eyed, one legged, donkey in the car.
Really? 2017/2018 say otherwise. The Ferrari would have easily won without Hamilton in the MercThey also cocked up regularly on strategy.
Vettel was just one part of the reason they messed up. The rest of it was on Ferrari.
Winning battles and single races here and there is Ferrari territory.
Winning the war has not been Ferrari's forte for a long time.
Consistency is not their thing, unless you count their consistent f*ck ups.
Schermerhorn said:
Ferrari fell behind in the development race and had reliability issues.
They also cocked up regularly on strategy.
Vettel was just one part of the reason they messed up. The rest of it was on Ferrari.
Winning battles and single races here and there is Ferrari territory.
Winning the war has not been Ferrari's forte for a long time.
Consistency is not their thing, unless you count their consistent f*ck ups.
They’d have still won if Hamilton wasn’t at merc, or if Hamilton was in the Ferrari...They also cocked up regularly on strategy.
Vettel was just one part of the reason they messed up. The rest of it was on Ferrari.
Winning battles and single races here and there is Ferrari territory.
Winning the war has not been Ferrari's forte for a long time.
Consistency is not their thing, unless you count their consistent f*ck ups.
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