Favourite F1 cars 1980 onwards

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ajprice said:

These are peak Ferrari for me. Red car, black wings, black or gold wheels, 27 and 28 race numbers. Before Marlboro got out of hand with the barcodes etc and then Santander with the white parts. Just no. With the possible exception of the F2007 metallic red colour.

The 640 is even more pretty inside:

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I know I'll be in the minority, but my favourite Jordan is the 193. Something about the shape and Sasol livery just works. Gary Anderson could draw a pretty car:

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Eric Mc said:

I remember watching it live too - and it was a real "Oh Christ" moment. It demonstrated though, how much the reaction of fire marshalls had moved on since those terrible fatal fiery crashes of the 70s.

It also revealed further confirmation (if it were needed) of the innate problem of the Tamburello - which went on to claim Senna.

For those who haven't seen Berger's crash: https://youtu.be/PXKTGz9txTw

Like Eric, I recall seeing it live- a proper "Oh Sh*t" moment.

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kiseca said:

It's a great book. Not very complimentary to Gordon Murray though..

Paints a picture of a very difficult man who liked complete control but was very creative too.

Barnard may have been very gifted but he'll never live down the F310!

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Gary29 said:

Some great cars already posted, 92 was that season that I got properly into F1 being 11 years old at the time, so this brings back some great memories for me:

Such an ugly (but effective!) car IMO. It's always caught up in my mind with blatant cheating- traction control in the ECU menu, fuel flow restrictor removed from the refuelling rig. So it's a no from me

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paulguitar said:

Some serious blasphemy taking place here tonight.

I'm breathing into a paper bag here!

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Landcrab_Six said:

The original 640 with the low airbox was stunning. I was never so keen on the revised version with high airbox, but understand why they did it.

I'm with you on the original airbox- stunning.

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We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.

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FourWheelDrift said:

And after copying the Williams they went on to copy the Benetton with the JS41 and JS43 with the help of now Ligier part-owner and Benetton boss Flavio Briatore.

Indeed Benetton bought Ligier just for its Renault engine supply!

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entropy said:

Should've gone to Specsavers! They're two completely different concepts to V12 installation.

The Ferrari has curvaceous sidepods, teardropped coke bottle profile; McLaren's are more angular and straightlines.

The Ferrari's ugly nose is flat; 640 resembles a duck-billed platypus. McLaren's has curvature across and as it slopes downwards.

This is a thread for people who like 1980s F1 cars. If you want to be needlessly argumentative SP&L is over there. Carry on.

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Some fantastic Ligiers there. The 1991 car was as pretty as it was slow, sadly

And Comas really did have some big accidents. The 1992 crash at Blamchimont was huge; the picture with Senna is quite something.

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Landcrab_Six said:

Always liked the Arrows A10.

Probably because Warwick and Cheever were a good driver pair - neither took it too seriously. Both could drive a bit, too.

Also because they were a real underdog, low budget, quite a low-tech car. But it pulled off some great results in the final turbo year.





Not a pretty car, but functional and purposeful.

I always had an irrational dislike of that car, I think it’s to do with the roll hoop which is just all wrong.

Now the A11 was a pretty car.

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Landcrab_Six said:

Always liked the Arrows A10.

Probably because Warwick and Cheever were a good driver pair - neither took it too seriously. Both could drive a bit, too.

Also because they were a real underdog, low budget, quite a low-tech car. But it pulled off some great results in the final turbo year.





Not a pretty car, but functional and purposeful.

Just to follow up, the I always liked the A11's super low sidepods, and the whole car seemed a quantum leap from the A10

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FourWheelDrift said:

sgtBerbatov said:

Didn't he take to the track at Imola and drove round to see if he could help Senna, to repay the debt he felt he had?

"Approximately 10 minutes after Senna's crash, the Larrousse team, which had been "concentrating on fixing Comas's car and didn't realise Senna had crashed", sent Comas to the end of the pit lane for release despite the circuit being closed under red flags. Comas described "a big confusion about whether (he) could rejoin", and that eventually the pit lane marshal allowed him onto the race course. Marshals frantically waved him down as he approached the scene of the accident travelling at close to full speed. Eurosport commentator John Watson described the incident as "the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen at any time in my life". Comas avoided hitting any of the people or cars that were on the circuit, but after seeing Senna's accident scene, Comas was so distressed that he withdrew from the race, and didn't speak of what he witnessed for more than 10 years."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDZuuGpz094

I had forgotten about that. Dreadful by the marshals.

For those that haven't seen how Senna helped Comas, it's here: https://youtu.be/sbTrNKBAfI8

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DoubleD said:

FourWheelDrift said:

DoubleD said:

FourWheelDrift said:

DoubleD said:

Piginapoke said:

I had forgotten about that. Dreadful by the marshals.

For those that haven't seen how Senna helped Comas, it's here: https://youtu.be/sbTrNKBAfI8

Why do you think that the marshals were dreadful? They got there just after Senna did.

The ones that let him leave the pitlane during a red flag.

Oh ok, I don't think I saw a red flag? I saw a yellow one as the accident was happening. When you say him do you mean Senna? He would have left the pit lane before the accident started.

Oh hang on that's Spa, I thought it was about San Marino 94, the marshals shouldn't have let Comas out the pits there. Sorry.

I'm still confused, why shouldn't they have let Comas out the pits? He was on a flying lap so would have been on his 2nd lap out of the pits?

There was a red flag after Senna's accident.

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Always liked the Larrouse livery - I don't even mind the Kronenberg one .

A couple more from me. The Benetton B190 was the last pretty car they made before going down the raised nose route with the B191. Such a nice car, shame about its replacement:



Also, the FW11B. Looked so good compared to the MP4/3 which was just so wrong to my eye; it's peak turbo to me. First time I saw one, I was struck by how tiny it was. 1,200hp in qualifying, 540kgs. Gulp.

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LaurasOtherHalf said:

I think there was a little bit of that dust sprinkled on the three new entrants of the last decade era, Manor/Marussia, Caterham and HRT. The plucky underdogs.

Not likely to happen now though is it?

I often think it’s a shame there isn’t a way for GP2 teams to make the step up like in the old days but the regulations just mean it’s impossible now, the difference in spend and resources is off the scale. Presumably Campos are the last to attempt it?

F1 obviously have some form of contingency plan in place as it’s not like you’d imagine every team to be completely secure-look at Renault and Haas for starters. Even Honda pulling out must have had them concerned.

I guess the problem is getting to within even 2 seconds a lap of the cars now is going to be expensive and it would still lead you to getting lapped an awful lot!

All good points. A potential strategy would be to simplify F1 aero and regulations massively, reduce budget cap to say £70m, improve the sound through N/A engines and allow promotion from, and relegation to, F2. As manufactures leave F1 and ICE technology behind, it would give F1 some relevance, attract new entrants and would return F1 more of a drivers' championship. I could see DAMS, Carlin etc jumping at the opportunity.

Edited by Piginapoke on Sunday 31st January 08:57

Edited by Piginapoke on Sunday 31st January 08:58

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FourWheelDrift said:

entropy said:

And then there were cars that were tested but never raced.

Toyota TS101

That 2001 TF101 car looks like a Williams FW20 from 1998.

It does a bit, but it's a blocky old thing.

In terms of unraced cars, surely the McLambo MP4/8B is the most intriguing, and well as lovely looking in plain white livery:

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sidewinder500 said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

https://www.officinacaira.com/inventory/simtek-s95...

'95 Simtek up for sale, not as pretty as the '94 granted. Please be careful perusing that website, their stockist and parts collection are something else!

OMG

Seems that they did very good networking to market that amount of F1 cars...

That B188

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That looks absolutely stunning, such a neat and simple thing with no airbox. Love the red wheels in particular.

Did Oscar Larrauri drive the other car?