Favourite F1 cars 1980 onwards
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Piginapoke said:
We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.
And after copying the Williams they went on to copy the Benetton with the JS41 and JS43 with the help of now Ligier part-owner and Benetton boss Flavio Briatore.Piginapoke said:
We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.
That is very tidy. I just love the look of those early 90s cars with the drivers shoulders on show, I mean you can see how dangerous they could be but bloody hell they looked proper.LaurasOtherHalf said:
Piginapoke said:
We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.
That is very tidy. I just love the look of those early 90s cars with the drivers shoulders on show, I mean you can see how dangerous they could be but bloody hell they looked proper.Always thought that the 92 - 94 Ligiers looked a little bloated, slightly podgy, like FW14 after lockdown.
Piginapoke said:
We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.
Prost did a test in that car, absolutely destroyed Boutsen apparently. With a decent driver it could have been a contender for crumbs off the Williams table in ‘92 (according to It’s designer Dernie). Then again...really?dr_gn said:
Prost did a test in that car, absolutely destroyed Boutsen apparently. With a decent driver it could have been a contender for crumbs off the Williams table in ‘92 (according to It’s designer Dernie). Then again...really?
That's a bit like Senna testing a McLaren with the iron anchor (Lamborghini engine) in the back and setting competitive times, or Schumacher testing the 1995 V12 Ferrari and saying he could have won with it.Schumacher, Jerez 1995.
The Chrysler V12 Senna tested was a newer version of the engine, it was OK, and Senna said it was OK, nothing more. A lot of hype about that test. But Chrysler were never going to be able to supply a team like McLaren.
Schuey however was very quick in the 95 Ferrari, but then he was up against Berger and Alesi.
Schuey however was very quick in the 95 Ferrari, but then he was up against Berger and Alesi.
coppice said:
Some of us love the 640 not because of Mansell, but in spite of him. It remains the most arrestingly beautiful looking F1 car I've ever seen ,but it is a personal thing . MOMA shared my opinion too..
They used the 641, better looking than the 640.Piginapoke said:
We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.
Looks more like an F3 carLukeBrown66 said:
The Chrysler V12 Senna tested was a newer version of the engine, it was OK, and Senna said it was OK, nothing more.
Senna was impressed by it, specifically it had a lot of potential. So impressed that he - allegedly - wanted to run it for the rest of the 1993 season, even though it was powerful and liked to self destruct...dr_gn said:
If you painted a McLaren MP4/6 or 7/B red, it's surprising just how similar they would be in looks and concept to the Ferrari 640/1/2 shape. Especially sidepods and engine cover. Even down to McLaren switching to a V-12 engine in 1991.
It's interesting that Steve Nichols is credited as designer of the McLaren MP4/5 and then the Ferrari 641 when he switched teams at the end of '89, just a couple of years after John Barnard had made the same switch. Clearly both teams were put on roughly parallel paths by these two.dr_gn said:
If you painted a McLaren MP4/6 or 7/B red, it's surprising just how similar they would be in looks and concept to the Ferrari 640/1/2 shape. Especially sidepods and engine cover. Even down to McLaren switching to a V-12 engine in 1991.
Should've gone to Specsavers! They're two completely different concepts to V12 installation.The Ferrari has curvaceous sidepods, teardropped coke bottle profile; McLaren's are more angular and straightlines.
The Ferrari's ugly nose is flat; 640 resembles a duck-billed platypus. McLaren's has curvature across and as it slopes downwards.
entropy said:
dr_gn said:
If you painted a McLaren MP4/6 or 7/B red, it's surprising just how similar they would be in looks and concept to the Ferrari 640/1/2 shape. Especially sidepods and engine cover. Even down to McLaren switching to a V-12 engine in 1991.
Should've gone to Specsavers! They're two completely different concepts to V12 installation.The Ferrari has curvaceous sidepods, teardropped coke bottle profile; McLaren's are more angular and straightlines.
The Ferrari's ugly nose is flat; 640 resembles a duck-billed platypus. McLaren's has curvature across and as it slopes downwards.
entropy said:
dr_gn said:
If you painted a McLaren MP4/6 or 7/B red, it's surprising just how similar they would be in looks and concept to the Ferrari 640/1/2 shape. Especially sidepods and engine cover. Even down to McLaren switching to a V-12 engine in 1991.
Should've gone to Specsavers! They're two completely different concepts to V12 installation.The Ferrari has curvaceous sidepods, teardropped coke bottle profile; McLaren's are more angular and straightlines.
The Ferrari's ugly nose is flat; 640 resembles a duck-billed platypus. McLaren's has curvature across and as it slopes downwards.
Try looking at the 642 and comparing it with the MP4/6 - both have clearly got flat sides, and curved noses. Similarly look at the later cars - 643 and MP4/7; if anything the similarities are even greater.
entropy said:
Should've gone to Specsavers! They're two completely different concepts to V12 installation.
The Ferrari has curvaceous sidepods, teardropped coke bottle profile; McLaren's are more angular and straightlines.
The Ferrari's ugly nose is flat; 640 resembles a duck-billed platypus. McLaren's has curvature across and as it slopes downwards.
This is a thread for people who like 1980s F1 cars. If you want to be needlessly argumentative SP&L is over there. Carry on.The Ferrari has curvaceous sidepods, teardropped coke bottle profile; McLaren's are more angular and straightlines.
The Ferrari's ugly nose is flat; 640 resembles a duck-billed platypus. McLaren's has curvature across and as it slopes downwards.
dr_gn said:
None of what you say makes much sense TBH. I said they were similar, not identical: V-12 engines, male-mould monocoques, similar radiator arrangements, similar sidepod shapes, similar engine cover shapes, etc etc.
Try looking at the 642 and comparing it with the MP4/6 - both have clearly got flat sides, and curved noses. Similarly look at the later cars - 643 and MP4/7; if anything the similarities are even greater.
Agree with 642 onwards, just not the previous cars; there's a definite change in concept between the 641 and 642.Try looking at the 642 and comparing it with the MP4/6 - both have clearly got flat sides, and curved noses. Similarly look at the later cars - 643 and MP4/7; if anything the similarities are even greater.
Piginapoke said:
This is a thread for people who like 1980s F1 cars. If you want to be needlessly argumentative SP&L is over there. Carry on.
The 1980s is my favourite era. R&D and technology took a massive leap: carbon fibre, ECU development, telemetry, wind tunnel, hydraulics and so forth.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Piginapoke said:
We've ignored Ligier and the lovely Gitanes livery. The JS37, a FW14 clone from memory, always looked lovely to my eye.
I prefer the 1991 Ligier though:
Most of the blue Ligiers looked great throughout the 80s and early 90s. I love the 89 and 90 one with its all blue colour.
The mid 80s ones looked great too:
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