2021 F1 cars thread

[TheDeuce]

TwentyFive said:

Fundoreen said:

They should make a little noddy mobile aston to capture the Little Lord Fauntleroy crowd.

Aston Martin Cygnet. Although I think it was only ever made to offset the emissions from their main models.

That was indeed the plan. Sadly it was so st and expensive that they hardly sold any so the offset wasn't very much...

[TheDeuce]

MiniMan64 said:

And Williams breath a sigh of relief.

How do you muck up "paint it red" so often?

This is what confuses me - why are they trying so hard to do something different with their livery last few seasons!?

It's a Ferrari, paint it red and job done! It just doesn't have to be this complicated

[Mr_Thyroid]

resolve10 said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

Red and green should never be seen without a colour in between.

The saying is blue and green. Though red and green definitely looks crap as well!

Both sayings exist but I guess the blue version is older (from sailors) whereas the red version is from fashion - so the internet told me.

[NRS]

TheDeuce said:

TwentyFive said:

Fundoreen said:

They should make a little noddy mobile aston to capture the Little Lord Fauntleroy crowd.

Aston Martin Cygnet. Although I think it was only ever made to offset the emissions from their main models.

That was indeed the plan. Sadly it was so st and expensive that they hardly sold any so the offset wasn't very much...

On the positive side I made £750 as a student from crappy phones the first ever time it was seen out in public! They had it in China town in London in a trailer and took it out for a few shots quickly, and I happened to be walking by and recognised what it was.

[AJB88]

As a Ferrari fan it should be painted fully black this season in mourning of how bad they have become.

[Piginapoke]

Don’t get the hate for the new Ferrari. Nose looks interesting and sidepods are totally new. Looks fast to me, a good job.

[TheDeuce]

Piginapoke said:

Don’t get the hate for the new Ferrari. Nose looks interesting and sidepods are totally new. Looks fast to me, a good job.

No hate, I think many expect it to be quite a good car this season. I suspect it'll be very good.

Just need to paint it the correct colour

[Teppic]

ajprice said:

Ferrari SF21 https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.first-l...

[RichB]

TheDeuce said:

I think many expect it to be quite a good car this season. I suspect it'll be very good.

Is this expectation based on rumours from the Factory or simply that it couldn't be much worse?

[TheDeuce]

RichB said:

TheDeuce said:

I think many expect it to be quite a good car this season. I suspect it'll be very good.

Is this expectation based on rumours from the Factory or simply that it couldn't be much worse?

Based on it being known why it was terrible last year and the knowledge that some of those reasons no longer persist.

[RichB]

TheDeuce said:

RichB said:

TheDeuce said:

I think many expect it to be quite a good car this season. I suspect it'll be very good.

Is this expectation based on rumours from the Factory or simply that it couldn't be much worse?

Based on it being known why it was terrible last year and the knowledge that some of those reasons no longer persist.

Interesting, must confess I've not been keeping up with the Ferrari shenanigans but my general understanding was that it was poor last year because the previous year they found a way of getting around the fuel limitation and so were over fueling the car to compensate for aero and other deficiencies. Without that ilegal advantage the car was shown up for what it was. Whilst they then knew it was poor I didn't know they had solved the issues.

[TheDeuce]

RichB said:

TheDeuce said:

RichB said:

TheDeuce said:

I think many expect it to be quite a good car this season. I suspect it'll be very good.

Is this expectation based on rumours from the Factory or simply that it couldn't be much worse?

Based on it being known why it was terrible last year and the knowledge that some of those reasons no longer persist.

Interesting, must confess I've not been keeping up with the Ferrari shenanigans but my general understanding was that it was poor last year because the previous year they found a way of getting around the fuel limitation and so were over fueling the car to compensate for aero and other deficiencies. Without that ilegal advantage the car was shown up for what it was. Whilst they then knew it was poor I didn't know they had solved the issues.

In fairness we don't 'know' just yet that they have solved the power deficit.. but seems a safe bet as a main focus of their launch reveal earlier today was to bang on about PU improvements. I doubt they'd focus that much attention on their PU unless they knew they had something considerably better than the mess they had last year

[resolve10]

Ferrari know how much better their power unit is relative to their own from last year (and to an extent, other teams'), but they don't know how it stacks up against the latest developed powertrains from the competition.

Making noise about the PU is pretty irrelevant until we've seen the cars together on the same track. We don't have to wait long to find out. Personally, I think they'll have their work cut out to make their way back up the grid. Even if they have sorted out the power side of things, we've already seen when they were cheating and had an absolute monster of a car in a straight line, they still managed to blow it. I don't think this ship will be turned quite so quickly.

[TheDeuce]

resolve10 said:

Ferrari know how much better their power unit is relative to their own from last year (and to an extent, other teams'), but they don't know how it stacks up against the latest developed powertrains from the competition.

Making noise about the PU is pretty irrelevant until we've seen the cars together on the same track. We don't have to wait long to find out. Personally, I think they'll have their work cut out to make their way back up the grid. Even if they have sorted out the power side of things, we've already seen when they were cheating and had an absolute monster of a car in a straight line, they still managed to blow it. I don't think this ship will be turned quite so quickly.

Don't get me wrong.. I agree, the team are still flawed in several areas regardless of power. No clue if they've started to address any of those other issues.

But in isolation, they were stuck with a PU last season that was never supposed to be run sans 'cheat'. It's clear that became a real handicap for them. Whatever the relative performance of this season's PU it should be far better, even if it's not enough to return them to top team status.

[NRS]

Yes - we already see Merc have something a bit bigger in the PU this year, and know Honda have a 2022 engine stuck in now, so I'd guess both have some decent upgrades on power this year.

[realjv]

thegreenhell said:

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

Looks like they dunked the rear in water.

It looks like it has a bad oil leak...

Ah, so its a throwback retro scheme. Makes sense now.

[mw88]

Don't quite get the green MW branding, but I guess that's the only way they could actually get it on the car without accusations of it being subliminal Marlboro branding.

It stands out, I'll give them that

Lots of things being hidden on the cars, guess we'll see tomorrow how things look properly.

Hoping McLaren go well, and Red Bull can start the season strong but I'm predicting another easy Mercedes WDC/WCC.

If Sergio can give Max a run for his money in the Red Bull, wonder if we'll see some fireworks!

[M5-911]

A lot of "unknown" regarding the cars and how they are going to perform against each others but driver wise we might get some really strong teams battles, such as Perez v Verstapen, Sainz v Leclerc, Stroll v Vettel and Hamilton v Bottas.

Could this be Bottas year?
Can Perez out score Verstapen?
Will Vettel struggle?

[Piginapoke]

M5-911 said:

A lot of "unknown" regarding the cars and how they are going to perform against each others but driver wise we might get some really strong teams battles, such as Perez v Verstapen, Sainz v Leclerc, Stroll v Vettel and Hamilton v Bottas.

Could this be Bottas year? No
Can Perez out score Verstapen? No
Will Vettel struggle? Yes

There you go!

[Mark-C]

Piginapoke said:

M5-911 said:

A lot of "unknown" regarding the cars and how they are going to perform against each others but driver wise we might get some really strong teams battles, such as Perez v Verstapen, Sainz v Leclerc, Stroll v Vettel and Hamilton v Bottas.

Could this be Bottas year? No
Can Perez out score Verstapen? No
Will Vettel struggle? Yes

There you go!

I'd have gone "No" for all three - think Vettel will do OK but get it could go either way depending on whether the last few years have completely scrambled his mind!