Drive to Survive Season 3

[cgt2]

KR158 said:

I'm tempted to Subscribe to Netflix & binge all three seasons. It strikes me as an updated version of 1993's, BBC 2 series "A season with Mclaren" dealing with (amongst other things) Andretti's part season, Senna's departure for Williams & Hakkinens Portuguese outqualifying of Senna on his Mclaren debut, a really enjoyable series. Come to think of it, I may have to try & find that again too!

I still have that on VHS. Fantastic series

[cgt2]

Couldn't really care less if Stroll is nice. My biggest takeaway is the utter delusion that Vettel's experience will help Lance and the team. If the car is good, he'll be super focused on maximising his own opportunities, as any champion would. If the car is st, he will lose interest and perform like last year at Ferrari.

And Aston/Force India have given up a fantastic driver to take a huge and expensive gamble on an SV who will very likely not perform to the same level as Perez did last year. Big mistake in my view. Perez is top drawer and to my mind better than Vettel at this stage in their careers.

[anonymous-user]

cgt2 said:

Couldn't really care less if Stroll is nice. My biggest takeaway is the utter delusion that Vettel's experience will help Lance and the team. If the car is good, he'll be super focused on maximising his own opportunities, as any champion would. If the car is st, he will lose interest and perform like last year at Ferrari.

And Aston/Force India have given up a fantastic driver to take a huge and expensive gamble on an SV who will very likely not perform to the same level as Perez did last year. Big mistake in my view. Perez is top drawer and to my mind better than Vettel at this stage in their careers.

It's all about the marketing.

[pquinn]

cgt2 said:

Couldn't really care less if Stroll is nice.

His co-investors might care if the bull smashes the China shop. He seemed exactly the sort to drive away any talent.

It's one thing to be a bit of an arse and quite often necessary but he didn't seem one to get a good long term result.

Guess we'll see how it goes soon enough.

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ChocolateFrog said:

jsf said:

ChocolateFrog said:

In which case they're not worrying about paying medical bills.

Most of his business is outside UK where medical costs are a burden at the back of peoples minds constantly.

It should make you realise how fortunate we are, even if the tax we pay as a result is higher, its nothing compared to the destruction an illness can bring to many in other advanced countries.

It's actually a great removal of power from bad employers to not have the worry of losing medical coverage if you lose your job.

Yes I know how fortunate we are, I'd never want to live in such ste country as the US, the way it treats its poor is a scandal.

But LS should know we have the NHS and virtually no British workers worry about medical bills, unless they're trying to raise 500k for experimental cancer treatment in the land of the free.

He just comes across as having no idea how that factory ticks.

Where does the US come into this ? LS is Canadian , even so take a trip around some US states and you'll see that lifestyle is a damn site better than Britain , if still in doubt just read some of the other threads on PH regards crime/security cameras/illegal immigrants, this list is endless and you
will see a vast difference . Back on topic LS is slightly OTT but it's dealt him a good hand so far , and no I'm not a fan of his .

[dobly]

My thoughts on season 3,of DtS:

How much did Stroll Senior pay Netflix for this promo of him?
How much did Stroll Senior pay Mercedes for the car copying?
How much did Stroll Senior pay Netflix to completely ignore the other Canadian driver (Latifi)?
Otmar Satnav (or whatever his name actually is) clearly would have preferred to keep Perez and replace Stroll junior with Seb Vettel, but isn't allowed to...
Ferrari cheated so much in 2019 that they will be in a hole for years - Carlos Sainz seems blinded by Ferrari's heritage to realise this , and the probability that he will be dumped in favour of Mick Schu in a year or too...
Toto holds almost all the cards (and money) to be made in F1, much to Chritian's annoyance...

WIlliams did actually turn up to race, despite what was shown in this season.

[Str6mik]

cgt2 said:

Couldn't really care less if Stroll is nice. My biggest takeaway is the utter delusion that Vettel's experience will help Lance and the team. If the car is good, he'll be super focused on maximising his own opportunities, as any champion would. If the car is st, he will lose interest and perform like last year at Ferrari.

And Aston/Force India have given up a fantastic driver to take a huge and expensive gamble on an SV who will very likely not perform to the same level as Perez did last year. Big mistake in my view. Perez is top drawer and to my mind better than Vettel at this stage in their careers.

I think It’s absolutely win win for Stroll buying seb

- Performs badly - makes Lance look like a driving god
- Performs well - PR value of 4 time champ / team points

If he didn’t have shares in the overall entity of Aston - I would have said he almost certainly bought vettel as he knows he’s a spend force and wants Lance to look good by proxy

[Teddy Lop]

Str6mik said:

cgt2 said:

Couldn't really care less if Stroll is nice. My biggest takeaway is the utter delusion that Vettel's experience will help Lance and the team. If the car is good, he'll be super focused on maximising his own opportunities, as any champion would. If the car is st, he will lose interest and perform like last year at Ferrari.

And Aston/Force India have given up a fantastic driver to take a huge and expensive gamble on an SV who will very likely not perform to the same level as Perez did last year. Big mistake in my view. Perez is top drawer and to my mind better than Vettel at this stage in their careers.

I think It’s absolutely win win for Stroll buying seb

- Performs badly - makes Lance look like a driving god
- Performs well - PR value of 4 time champ / team points

If he didn’t have shares in the overall entity of Aston - I would have said he almost certainly bought vettel as he knows he’s a spend force and wants Lance to look good by proxy

"PR value" only really works if he exceeds though. Sebs only ever done well when he's the focal point and the car specifically suits him, and floundered when either not met, neither of which is likely at astroll lancin. and he hasn't shown a shred of the ambiguous galvanizing team leadership at ferrari.

Stroll (snr)s no fool, I think vettels there to flatter his son (all the while they can cynically maintain "yeah but 4x champion merit") and is probably paid a lot less than speculated, eg on performance bonus. Wonder how long he'll last.

[rider73]

DanielSan said:

honda_exige said:

I wonder if the new Williams owners changed the decision about them having so much access to the team? All series there's been just a few quick talking head bits from Claire Williams and nothing else.

agreed - if the series cannot be a no holes barred any access series , then its just going to get worse and get totally manipulated to the teams own agenda (and F1/FIA)

as for Williams - yeah filming the point at which Clair Williams realises she is stubbornly destroying the team because she is totally out of her depth and should step away - oh wait that was March 2013

[ch37]

The crew can't be with every team every race, I imagine there are agreements with teams made well in advance to follow them closely at a particular race, and this season more than ever COVID protocols would probably have thrown the idea of being a bit more dynamic/reactive out of the window.

Switching to in depth of coverage of Mercedes when there are a couple of days notice of George being in the car just isn't going to happen.

I also think some here are missing the point that this isn't a show for a forum full of people discussing technical details of F1, or hundreds of posts discussing Lewis' hair/fashion.

[anonymous-user]

You can buy the official season review DVD if you want a race by race breakdown. This is just an entertainment show.

[cgt2]

Str6mik said:

I think It’s absolutely win win for Stroll buying seb

- Performs badly - makes Lance look like a driving god
- Performs well - PR value of 4 time champ / team points

If he didn’t have shares in the overall entity of Aston - I would have said he almost certainly bought vettel as he knows he’s a spend force and wants Lance to look good by proxy

It was explicitly stated by LS Snr that they wanted Vettel's experience to 'train' Lance in the programme. That is the statement that struck me as completely out of touch (if true). From a team point of view they had a guy last year who won a race from dead last, I can't see Vettel doing that just as I can't see Kimi doing that as he did in 2005. And they are undoubtedly paying many multiples of what they paid Perez just by the fact of SV being 4x champ. Doesn't seem like a shrewd move but lets see...

[DanielSan]

cgt2 said:

It was explicitly stated by LS Snr that they wanted Vettel's experience to 'train' Lance in the programme. That is the statement that struck me as completely out of touch (if true). From a team point of view they had a guy last year who won a race from dead last, I can't see Vettel doing that just as I can't see Kimi doing that as he did in 2005. And they are undoubtedly paying many multiples of what they paid Perez just by the fact of SV being 4x champ. Doesn't seem like a shrewd move but lets see...

Stroll is building Aston Martin's brand by putting their name on an F1 team, part of that brand building is getting a 4x WC to drive the car. Vettel will always be infinitely more marketable to F1 fans around the world than Perez will be and infinitely more marketable to a car company purely because he's a 4x WC.
There's no way Stroll isn't serious about the F1 team or they wouldn't have had massive updates to the factory even before the Aston deal was announced, but he's also very serious about turning Aston into something a lot bigger than they are currently. I hope he achieves success with both to be honest. It would be nice to see the old Jordan/FI team being successful more consistently.

[cgt2]

DanielSan said:

Stroll is building Aston Martin's brand by putting their name on an F1 team, part of that brand building is getting a 4x WC to drive the car. Vettel will always be infinitely more marketable to F1 fans around the world than Perez will be and infinitely more marketable to a car company purely because he's a 4x WC.
There's no way Stroll isn't serious about the F1 team or they wouldn't have had massive updates to the factory even before the Aston deal was announced, but he's also very serious about turning Aston into something a lot bigger than they are currently. I hope he achieves success with both to be honest. It would be nice to see the old Jordan/FI team being successful more consistently.

I hope you're right but every time I see the car I'm reminded of Jaguar. Apart from the colour, the MO was pretty much identical with Ford coming in, huge aspirations, world champs within three years etc etc etc. We all know what happened there and F1 is vastly more complicated and expensive now.

[spunkytherabbit]

DomesticM said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Hamiltion

"I felt very vulnerable at that moment"

As Grosjean burns alive.

Remarkable he can make that incident about himself.

I can’t help but feel that comment might be a bit fabricated as in he said that after the initial questions/reactions about the incident. I’m not a fan of Hamilton and his ego but I can’t see him ignoring the seriousness of Grosjean and instantly talking about himself.

Also people need to remember that this is an entertainment show. Things will be dramatized for the masses, kinda like Top Gear - entertainment with a car theme.

Agreed. I remember seeing him being interviewed when Anthoine Hubert crashed and his reaction and him asking someone to find out about the driver involved was not that of someone self absorbed enough to make something like RG crash about himself. I'll put money on him being asked a question about how he felt right then about his own vulnerability, so in context for the comment included. But that preamble deliberately left out. Whether that was to try and highlight something specific about the single mindedness of a race driver (but done so clumsily), or just hasty editing. I can't imagine they deliberately set out to make Hamilton look so self absorbed as the edit did as Netflix will want access to him for season 4.

'stting where you eat' applies and Hamilton is too image conscious to let that sort of thing slide if the edit didn't reflect the context of what he said. I'm no rabid fanboy, but I do suspect Netflix misjudged that particular edit and it may come back to bite them.

Edited by spunkytherabbit on Monday 22 March 11:08

[kiseca]

DomesticM said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Hamiltion

"I felt very vulnerable at that moment"

As Grosjean burns alive.

Remarkable he can make that incident about himself.

I can’t help but feel that comment might be a bit fabricated as in he said that after the initial questions/reactions about the incident. I’m not a fan of Hamilton and his ego but I can’t see him ignoring the seriousness of Grosjean and instantly talking about himself.

Also people need to remember that this is an entertainment show. Things will be dramatized for the masses, kinda like Top Gear - entertainment with a car theme.

I would think it's quite a natural reaction, if you're a Formula 1 driver watching a Formula 1 car burn with a driver in it, to come to the realisation that it could happen to you too. Up until that point in Lewis's career it's been something that's theoretically possible but never seen it happening in front of his eyes, in a current car similar to his own, in a race that he was competing in.

I don't think it's any different to all those drivers (I've seen a few get credited with this comment) who said after Clark's crash, "if it can happen to him what chance do the rest of us have?". And how many drivers, after Ratzenberger and Senna's accidents, and then Wendlingers the next weekend, would have just been thinking how bad it was for those three drivers without reflecting on their own career?

I think it's completely possible to be worried about the guy in the car while also considering the implications for your own racing. And then they still put that out of their minds, climb back in their cars, and get on with it.

[spunkytherabbit]

DanielSan said:

cgt2 said:

It was explicitly stated by LS Snr that they wanted Vettel's experience to 'train' Lance in the programme. That is the statement that struck me as completely out of touch (if true). From a team point of view they had a guy last year who won a race from dead last, I can't see Vettel doing that just as I can't see Kimi doing that as he did in 2005. And they are undoubtedly paying many multiples of what they paid Perez just by the fact of SV being 4x champ. Doesn't seem like a shrewd move but lets see...

Stroll is building Aston Martin's brand by putting their name on an F1 team, part of that brand building is getting a 4x WC to drive the car. Vettel will always be infinitely more marketable to F1 fans around the world than Perez will be and infinitely more marketable to a car company purely because he's a 4x WC.
There's no way Stroll isn't serious about the F1 team or they wouldn't have had massive updates to the factory even before the Aston deal was announced, but he's also very serious about turning Aston into something a lot bigger than they are currently. I hope he achieves success with both to be honest. It would be nice to see the old Jordan/FI team being successful more consistently.

100% agree. Stroll contracting Vettel for F1 team performance isn't even secondary to how he wants to use Vettel as leverage for the Aston Martin car brand.

Think about it - Merc and Red Bull have got 1-4 pretty much locked up until the big regulation changes. If Aston F1 do no better for two years, Aston Martin don't lose a single bit of credibility as they can 'hide' behind Merc and Red Bull. Whilst marketing the Aston car brand as 'the choice of a 4x F1 WDC'. If Aston Martin F1 do well and get regular podiums before the regulation changes, Aston cars are marketed as the choice of a 4x F1 WDC AND podium contenders 'challenging for wins'.

Any improvements Vettel brings to the F1 team are just a bonus. Which is taking nothing away from Vettel or the punching upwards the F1 team does, it is simply the harsh reality and Stroll Snr is clearly a very, very shrewd man.

[kiseca]

jsf said:

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The TP personality i like the most is Zac Brown, he took a lot of stick in his first two years as he started to make the changes to the team it required, that's now paying off. Throughout he has managed to build a great atmosphere in the team. When needed he isn't afraid to be a tough cookie, but he is naturally a decent guy and a proper racing enthusiast. He had too much of a bromance with Alonso, but that came from his awe of great drivers, i think now he is more experienced that wont happen again....

Same for me. Zak, this season in particular, has been great to watch. He's presented as a great leader for that team, astute, fully invested, but also laid back and.. just seems like a nice guy to be around... and the success is building because he's getting the right people in the team.

[ch37]

ChocolateFrog said:

Hamiltion

"I felt very vulnerable at that moment"

As Grosjean burns alive.

Remarkable he can make that incident about himself.

Worth a watch... https://youtu.be/2brvJ3OHUWE, I appreciate that doesn't fit the narrative though.

Also had a look back to the actual driver radio 'whilst Grosjean burns alive', Lewis immediately says "everyone ok?", then follows up with "is everyone ok?" again when no info is coming through. Remember he was ahead so wouldn't have seen much/anything compared to several other drivers at the time.

Edited by ch37 on Monday 22 March 11:58

[Teddy Lop]

ch37 said:

The crew can't be with every team every race, I imagine there are agreements with teams made well in advance to follow them closely at a particular race, and this season more than ever COVID protocols would probably have thrown the idea of being a bit more dynamic/reactive out of the window.

Switching to in depth of coverage of Mercedes when there are a couple of days notice of George being in the car just isn't going to happen.

I also think some here are missing the point that this isn't a show for a forum full of people discussing technical details of F1, or hundreds of posts discussing Lewis' hair/fashion.

well made point. I'd rather they make the film they prepared and shot, than stitch bits together to scoop at something they didn't prepare for.

kiseca said:

jsf said:

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The TP personality i like the most is Zac Brown, he took a lot of stick in his first two years as he started to make the changes to the team it required, that's now paying off. Throughout he has managed to build a great atmosphere in the team. When needed he isn't afraid to be a tough cookie, but he is naturally a decent guy and a proper racing enthusiast. He had too much of a bromance with Alonso, but that came from his awe of great drivers, i think now he is more experienced that wont happen again....

Same for me. Zak, this season in particular, has been great to watch. He's presented as a great leader for that team, astute, fully invested, but also laid back and.. just seems like a nice guy to be around... and the success is building because he's getting the right people in the team.

warmed to him massively since his cringey Alonso love days.