Official 2021 Bahrain Grand Prix Thread ***SPOILERS***
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TheDeuce said:
It was. But why would another PU supplier want to get in line for more of the same!? Other than Renault of course - who had at the time both a need to find new customers and also something of a history with Alonso - which they have of course now resurrected.
I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
Merc have had the best PU for a number of years. They know it themselves and can offer Alonso to meet his potential. Why would it be a gamble?I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
It was. But why would another PU supplier want to get in line for more of the same!? Other than Renault of course - who had at the time both a need to find new customers and also something of a history with Alonso - which they have of course now resurrected.
I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
Merc have had the best PU for a number of years. They know it themselves and can offer Alonso to meet his potential. Why would it be a gamble?I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
Derek Smith said:
He's taking up a seat that might have been more excitingly filled by someone younger and hungrier.
The lad is so hungry he's desperate to add a third WDC to cement his legacy as one of the sport's greats. He's said it himself that it is special to have three WDCs; many of the greatest of all time have had at least three.entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
It was. But why would another PU supplier want to get in line for more of the same!? Other than Renault of course - who had at the time both a need to find new customers and also something of a history with Alonso - which they have of course now resurrected.
I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
Merc have had the best PU for a number of years. They know it themselves and can offer Alonso to meet his potential. Why would it be a gamble?I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
When firms have invested hundreds of millions in a PU development program it's their perogative to avoid drivers that are reckless enough to summarize their efforts so rudely in the heat of the moment.
TheDeuce said:
entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
It was. But why would another PU supplier want to get in line for more of the same!? Other than Renault of course - who had at the time both a need to find new customers and also something of a history with Alonso - which they have of course now resurrected.
I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
Merc have had the best PU for a number of years. They know it themselves and can offer Alonso to meet his potential. Why would it be a gamble?I really don't think Merc would opt to supply a team with Alonso in it after the comments he made regards Honda. It's not a massive deal as people make out, but Alonso has proven to be dangerously outspoken, and Merc simply don't need to go there do they?
When firms have invested hundreds of millions in a PU development program it's their perogative to avoid drivers that are reckless enough to summarize their efforts so rudely in the heat of the moment.
TheDeuce said:
Because if for whatever reason it doesn't work out, he's prone to publicly criticising what he judges to be the problem in the moment, without giving due consideration to the effects of those comments.
When firms have invested hundreds of millions in a PU development program it's their perogative to avoid drivers that are reckless enough to summarize their efforts so rudely in the heat of the moment.
And yet Endstone/Renault/Alpine are glad to have Alonso back even though they have had weak PUs and underperformed as a team for a number of years.When firms have invested hundreds of millions in a PU development program it's their perogative to avoid drivers that are reckless enough to summarize their efforts so rudely in the heat of the moment.
entropy said:
Derek Smith said:
He's taking up a seat that might have been more excitingly filled by someone younger and hungrier.
The lad is so hungry he's desperate to add a third WDC to cement his legacy as one of the sport's greats. He's said it himself that it is special to have three WDCs; many of the greatest of all time have had at least three.He's not an all-time great. He has the skills, and the natural driving talent, but he should have won two more WDCs with McL. They were there for the taking, and he blew it. Has he changed? I doubt it. Is he good enough to get a drive in a car that could win WDCs? Yes. Will team managers hire him? We all know the answer to that one.
He reminds me of Piquet, probably one of the most naturally talented, if not the, drivers I've seen but he didn't fulfill his potential despite his WDCs. He had the fastest car on the grid, with special engines from the company that favoured him, and he still couldn't win, beaten by a less naturally talented driver (open to argument possibly). It was the same with Alonso. Hamilton is special, but he had lots of learning still to do in his rookie year. He's his worst enemy.
My prediction is that he'll revert to being a diva; moaning, complaining and making barbed comments about those who are getting more points than him.
If I'm wrong, then I'll accept it at the end of this season. ButI'm not wrong.
On the other hand, he's one to watch. He'll liven up the circus.
entropy said:
And yet Endstone/Renault/Alpine are glad to have Alonso back even though they have had weak PUs and underperformed as a team for a number of years.
and no smart money would be on them being part of anything special in the near future, race/champ winning doesn't happen overnight, makes no sense at (apart from the story that liberty are paying his wages)A lot or the sour outlook on alonso can probably be attributed to mclaren employees getting shown up for being crap after peddling that aloof attitude for way to many years after they were any good.
If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
Fundoreen said:
A lot or the sour outlook on alonso can probably be attributed to mclaren employees getting shown up for being crap after peddling that aloof attitude for way to many years after they were any good.
If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
Get yourself down to the chippy, you need another chip for the other shoulder. You can almost see the spittle in that post. If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
jsf said:
Fundoreen said:
A lot or the sour outlook on alonso can probably be attributed to mclaren employees getting shown up for being crap after peddling that aloof attitude for way to many years after they were any good.
If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
Get yourself down to the chippy, you need another chip for the other shoulder. You can almost see the spittle in that post. If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
Be honest. It’s the McLaren faithful that have cornered the market in shoulder chips when it comes to Alonso.
jsf said:
Get yourself down to the chippy, you need another chip for the other shoulder. You can almost see the spittle in that post.
True, but that doesn't mean it's not moderately accurate. That Alonso was pretty toxic at Mclaren is, I think, beyond doubt but one also can't really doubt that he's an enormously special driver who has, over the course of his career, dragged some dogs of cars to places they had no right to be. I for one am glad to see him back, although I don't envy Renault what they'll get if they don't perform to his expectations.
Leithen said:
Pull the other one, it’s got bells on.
Be honest. It’s the McLaren faithful that have cornered the market in shoulder chips when it comes to Alonso.
Most think he is an irrelevance and were quite surprised he was given a second chance with the team (I was gobsmacked, maybe Ron dished up a cold one).Be honest. It’s the McLaren faithful that have cornered the market in shoulder chips when it comes to Alonso.
McLaren have a great driver pairing for now and the future without the toxicity. That's a proper win.
jsf said:
Fundoreen said:
A lot or the sour outlook on alonso can probably be attributed to mclaren employees getting shown up for being crap after peddling that aloof attitude for way to many years after they were any good.
If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
Get yourself down to the chippy, you need another chip for the other shoulder. You can almost see the spittle in that post. If you have a bedroom wall festooned with faded mclaren posters you will naturally fall in line like a good disciple.
Alpine are thrilled to have Alonso onboard after losing richiardo. You cant be credible as one of the major teams with 2 nobodies driving. The only other drivers floating around haven't even been on a podium.
F1 and the TV audience is even more thrilled as its showbiz and the more big names the better.
Renault/alpine may look a bit worse in 2021 but thats down to the identikit aston martin effort couresy of mercedes.
Still it will all be clearer on sunday evening. I think that after a few years in the wilderness of other racing series ,every day is a great day for Alonso.
It needs to be front and centre news that perez won a race before mclaren did.
Willing to accept its some sort of spanish armada/catholic thing mclaren cant get over lol.
Fundoreen said:
Haha well its not just him. They blamed their failures on perez as well. Nearly killed off his career.
It needs to be front and centre news that perez won a race before mclaren did.
Willing to accept its some sort of spanish armada/catholic thing mclaren cant get over lol.
McLaren is a different team than when Ron ran it, it's also the team that gave Fred a lifeline post his failure at Ferrari.It needs to be front and centre news that perez won a race before mclaren did.
Willing to accept its some sort of spanish armada/catholic thing mclaren cant get over lol.
It's going to be fun to watch him at Renault.
rallycross said:
I think it’s great to have Alonso back shame the car won’t be quick enough to get near the front this year but with Alonso you can always guarantee he fights 100% for every position on track.
I agree with the first two points your raise. There's no sensible argument against. However, Alonso's last season in F1 does, I think, put paid to your last one. He was in a rubbish car to be fair, but it could not have come as a surprise. When he wasn't moaning, he was briefing against them. Nowhere near 100%. I think that's why no half-way decent team wanted him.He'll attract a fair sized audience from around the world, and it'll be good advertising. The coverage should be great. He's on board for results off the leader boards rather than on them.
entropy said:
TheDeuce said:
Because if for whatever reason it doesn't work out, he's prone to publicly criticising what he judges to be the problem in the moment, without giving due consideration to the effects of those comments.
When firms have invested hundreds of millions in a PU development program it's their perogative to avoid drivers that are reckless enough to summarize their efforts so rudely in the heat of the moment.
And yet Endstone/Renault/Alpine are glad to have Alonso back even though they have had weak PUs and underperformed as a team for a number of years.When firms have invested hundreds of millions in a PU development program it's their perogative to avoid drivers that are reckless enough to summarize their efforts so rudely in the heat of the moment.
Frankly slinging Alonso the required £££ to get him back as a star signing was about all they had left to keep things interesting enough to keep the sponsors happy.
I wish the very best to Alonso and whilst I'm dubious about his conduct I will freely admit I'm glad he's back to 'spice things up'.. But let's not kid ourselves, Renault aren't 'glad' he's returning, they've paid him to return.
Bring it on, glad he's back. I just don't expect anything particularly impressive to result I'm afraid..
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 25th March 21:30
Derek Smith said:
He'll attract a fair sized audience from around the world, and it'll be good advertising. The coverage should be great. He's on board for results off the leader boards rather than on them.
Dead right Derek. The car is simply not competitive anymore, it's way under evolved since 2018 compared to the rest of the midfield and the PU has never been that impressive either.It costs £10m per 1/10th of a second in F1 they say... Far cheaper to employ Fred who'll find various other ways of raising headlines. In fact, the slower the car is the more likely he'll raise headlines and keep the sponsors happy
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