Exceeded track limits
Discussion
Far Cough said:
It would appear that piles of tyres is a no no so ........... go back to grass. Black tarmac bordered by a white line and the wrong side of that , a strip of grass , not to wide mind and then beyond that some further tarmac.
Its self governing as if you go beyond the track limits then the grass is slippery and traction is lost. Go way beyond that or have a spin and you quickly move over the grass back onto tarmac to slow down or rejoin.
Both impose their own penalty without any fuss.
Grass doesn't grow in a desert.Its self governing as if you go beyond the track limits then the grass is slippery and traction is lost. Go way beyond that or have a spin and you quickly move over the grass back onto tarmac to slow down or rejoin.
Both impose their own penalty without any fuss.
520TORQUES said:
shirt said:
The cars are already fitted with extremely accurate gps. When it’s zoomed in you can see the cars moving laterally across the track and the different lines each driver takes. I was impressed.
Still not accurate enough to detect track limits but then I do think the mk1 eyeball is still good enough.
Most club racers have GPS based systems now. The point i was making is it's not accurate enough, even using the highest spec systems, or positioned in a way you can use it for track limits.Still not accurate enough to detect track limits but then I do think the mk1 eyeball is still good enough.
520TORQUES said:
Grass doesn't grow in a desert.
Not being deliberately argumentative but it does. My back garden is sand and I have a full, if not lush, lawn. There is artificial grass trackside at yas, painted blue. Also some of the kerbs there are pretty severe and serrated.
not sure a barrier or low grip surface is the answer anyway, tracks only host an f1 race once a year. For quali the lap time deletion is a good enough penalty (see Logan sargeant last weekend as an example) and warnings / time penalties for the race are in line with most other series.
shirt said:
Not being deliberately argumentative but it does. My back garden is sand and I have a full, if not lush, lawn.
There is artificial grass trackside at yas, painted blue. Also some of the kerbs there are pretty severe and serrated.
not sure a barrier or low grip surface is the answer anyway, tracks only host an f1 race once a year. For quali the lap time deletion is a good enough penalty (see Logan sargeant last weekend as an example) and warnings / time penalties for the race are in line with most other series.
It was a bit of a throw away comment really. There is artificial grass trackside at yas, painted blue. Also some of the kerbs there are pretty severe and serrated.
not sure a barrier or low grip surface is the answer anyway, tracks only host an f1 race once a year. For quali the lap time deletion is a good enough penalty (see Logan sargeant last weekend as an example) and warnings / time penalties for the race are in line with most other series.
Enforcing the rule doesn't seem to be a problem this year, they did that all the time.
I think the issue now is more a case of not being able to see the track limits due to the tall front tyres and aero covers that are in the drivers line of sight. They also changed the track a few times after qualy rather than forcing the drivers to work within the limits, Austin being a good example of that.
tight fart said:
520TORQUES said:
They already have that.
So why the problem, don’t they work?As i said, i think the issue isn't noting the transgression now, they pick it up at all the points they are monitoring it. So long as everyone is playing by the same rules and those are enforced equally for all, what's the problem?
MustangGT said:
How about having a line of sensors positioned a car width away from the track. Car goes over the sensor and gets penalised.
You’d think that would easiest. Sensor strips, set points on cars that the sensor would pick up on.
Fully automated which ties into a penalty system that occurs automatically. Live data. X amounts of strikes and then something like;
- No DRS for 3 laps.
- No battery harvest for 1 or 2 laps.
- Maybe no hybrid boost for a lap.
- Power limited for a lap.
When penalties applied a light appears externally on the car.
Something that properly rewards the accurate / consistent drivers. It would also spice up the action, though I could see drivers not taking the liberties and penalties wouldn’t end up being that frequent.
LM240 said:
MustangGT said:
How about having a line of sensors positioned a car width away from the track. Car goes over the sensor and gets penalised.
You’d think that would easiest. Sensor strips, set points on cars that the sensor would pick up on.
Fully automated which ties into a penalty system that occurs automatically. Live data. X amounts of strikes and then something like;
- No DRS for 3 laps.
- No battery harvest for 1 or 2 laps.
- Maybe no hybrid boost for a lap.
- Power limited for a lap.
When penalties applied a light appears externally on the car.
Something that properly rewards the accurate / consistent drivers. It would also spice up the action, though I could see drivers not taking the liberties and penalties wouldn’t end up being that frequent.
) then he’d get penalized. So then your system needs additional complexity to police. Whereas the current system using eyes, flags and 5/10sec penalty has worked in all levels of Motorsport since forever.
Not aimed at you but with DTS bringing new viewers to the sport, does seem like people clamor to solve problems that don’t exist.
shirt said:
LM240 said:
MustangGT said:
How about having a line of sensors positioned a car width away from the track. Car goes over the sensor and gets penalised.
You’d think that would easiest. Sensor strips, set points on cars that the sensor would pick up on.
Fully automated which ties into a penalty system that occurs automatically. Live data. X amounts of strikes and then something like;
- No DRS for 3 laps.
- No battery harvest for 1 or 2 laps.
- Maybe no hybrid boost for a lap.
- Power limited for a lap.
When penalties applied a light appears externally on the car.
Something that properly rewards the accurate / consistent drivers. It would also spice up the action, though I could see drivers not taking the liberties and penalties wouldn’t end up being that frequent.
) then he’d get penalized. So then your system needs additional complexity to police. Whereas the current system using eyes, flags and 5/10sec penalty has worked in all levels of Motorsport since forever.
Not aimed at you but with DTS bringing new viewers to the sport, does seem like people clamor to solve problems that don’t exist.
I feel something simple, mechanical and immediate is better than electronics, that can go wrong.
It has to be be easily replaceable too, for MotoGP, etc. A wide mat of steel rollers to create over/understeer, bolted down, would create an area drivers would wish to avoid. Then, for MotoGP, unbolt the roller mat and replace with a normal runoff mat.
It has to be be easily replaceable too, for MotoGP, etc. A wide mat of steel rollers to create over/understeer, bolted down, would create an area drivers would wish to avoid. Then, for MotoGP, unbolt the roller mat and replace with a normal runoff mat.
PhilAsia said:
The eyes, flags and 5/10sec penalty for the problem that did not exist in Brazil 2021, for example...
Jeezus Phil, does every F1 topic on here have to be about Max and Lewis?Edited to add, thank you for bringing it back on track (no pun intended).
Edited by alisdairm on Wednesday 29th November 14:44
alisdairm said:
PhilAsia said:
The eyes, flags and 5/10sec penalty for the problem that did not exist in Brazil 2021, for example...
Jeezus Phil, does every F1 topic on here have to be about Max and Lewis?Edited to add, thank you for bringing it back on track (no pun intended).
Edited by alisdairm on Wednesday 29th November 14:44
PhilAsia said:
The eyes, flags and 5/10sec penalty for the problem that did not exist in Brazil 2021, for example...
you'll have to refresh my memory, googled it and nothing revealed other than track limits weren't enforced for fp1. regardless, 1 example from the past 3 seasons suggests it would be an issue to be taken up with the marshals / race control. the expense of developing, implementing and policing an automated system seems rather overblown to me.
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