Official 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
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C350Akra said:
HustleRussell said:
Marco has said it was a known fault with the diff so the assumption is that it’ll be working properly soon.
So the fault was there during testing, practice and qualifying as well. Therefore it did not cost them any time during the race. Just more excuses to explain why Hamilton beat Verstappen.HustleRussell said:
C350Akra said:
HustleRussell said:
Marco has said it was a known fault with the diff so the assumption is that it’ll be working properly soon.
So the fault was there during testing, practice and qualifying as well. Therefore it did not cost them any time during the race. Just more excuses to explain why Hamilton beat Verstappen.C350Akra said:
HustleRussell said:
C350Akra said:
HustleRussell said:
Marco has said it was a known fault with the diff so the assumption is that it’ll be working properly soon.
So the fault was there during testing, practice and qualifying as well. Therefore it did not cost them any time during the race. Just more excuses to explain why Hamilton beat Verstappen.ETA: Based on what Marco did say, and the four tenths qualifying advantage, I would guess that the diff problem didn’t rear its head until the race.
Edited by HustleRussell on Wednesday 14th April 10:48
Hungrymc said:
DanielSan said:
If there did happen to be snow someone somewhere, probably WTF1, would claim Red Bull had an advantage because of that filming day on a ski slope.
LolOr.... Chains are allowed, but with Lewis somehow ahead mid race and going well, Max complains to Horner who complains to race direction. Chains are instantly banned and everyone takes them off except Max, who then passes Lewis only to be forced to give the position back.. :-)
Byker28i said:
Hungrymc said:
DanielSan said:
If there did happen to be snow someone somewhere, probably WTF1, would claim Red Bull had an advantage because of that filming day on a ski slope.
LolOr.... Chains are allowed, but with Lewis somehow ahead mid race and going well, Max complains to Horner who complains to race direction. Chains are instantly banned and everyone takes them off except Max, who then passes Lewis only to be forced to give the position back.. :-)
HustleRussell said:
What you call ‘simple logic’ I call baseless conjecture. Marco wasn’t clear on whether the diff problem existed before the race, so neither of us know.
ETA: Based on what Marco did say, and the four tenths qualifying advantage, I would guess that the diff problem didn’t rear its head until the race.
ETA: Based on what Marco did say, and the four tenths qualifying advantage, I would guess that the diff problem didn’t rear its head until the race.
I think he was saying that it was known that the diff could suffer from this problem, not that it was a certainty that it would suffer from the problem. 
kambites said:
HustleRussell said:
Based on what Marco did say, and the four tenths qualifying advantage, I would guess that the diff problem didn’t rear its head until the race.
I think he was saying that it was known that the diff could suffer from this problem, not that it was a certainty that it would suffer from the problem. Marco only says that if affected them in the early stages of the race so I guess the problem was highlighted or exacerbated with a heavy fuel load- but Red Bull hadn’t mentioned it before which made me think they probably hadn’t encountered the problem before the race.
HustleRussell said:
What you call ‘simple logic’ I call baseless conjecture. Marco wasn’t clear on whether the diff problem existed before the race, so neither of us know.
ETA: Based on what Marco did say, and the four tenths qualifying advantage, I would guess that the diff problem didn’t rear its head until the race.
I would also suggest that Max's tone and response to the issue during the race was not one of "oh we've got that diff problem we knew about" but "I've got an unexpected problem with the diff, what is it, can it be fixed"ETA: Based on what Marco did say, and the four tenths qualifying advantage, I would guess that the diff problem didn’t rear its head until the race.
Either way, it's been far too long and I'm really looking forward to this race to get some more info on how the cars compare and how well Perez performs
SturdyHSV said:
I would also suggest that Max's tone and response to the issue during the race was not one of "oh we've got that diff problem we knew about" but "I've got an unexpected problem with the diff, what is it, can it be fixed"
Either way, it's been far too long and I'm really looking forward to this race to get some more info on how the cars compare and how well Perez performs
From the reactions at the time and subsequently, it sounds like an issue the engineers immediately understood, although the driver and his race team clearly didn’t expect. Either way, it's been far too long and I'm really looking forward to this race to get some more info on how the cars compare and how well Perez performs
If I were to take a guess, I’d say that lining up on the grid at the start of the race was the heaviest that car has ever been run, and the loads on the diff were higher than they’d seen before.
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Wednesday 14th April 14:17
Sandpit Steve said:
From the reactions at the time and subsequently, it sounds like an issue the engineers immediately understood, although the driver and his race team clearly didn’t expect.
If I were to take a guess, I’d say that lining up on the grid at the start of the race was the heaviest that car has ever been run, and the loads on the diff were higher than they’d seen before.
There was a few races last year where Max was on the radio talking about issues with the diff, it seems like a bit of a long term random issue that pops up but they don't seem to have sorted completely yet. If I were to take a guess, I’d say that lining up on the grid at the start of the race was the heaviest that car has ever been run, and the loads on the diff were higher than they’d seen before.
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Wednesday 14th April 14:17
DanielSan said:
Sandpit Steve said:
From the reactions at the time and subsequently, it sounds like an issue the engineers immediately understood, although the driver and his race team clearly didn’t expect.
If I were to take a guess, I’d say that lining up on the grid at the start of the race was the heaviest that car has ever been run, and the loads on the diff were higher than they’d seen before.
There was a few races last year where Max was on the radio talking about issues with the diff, it seems like a bit of a long term random issue that pops up but they don't seem to have sorted completely yet. If I were to take a guess, I’d say that lining up on the grid at the start of the race was the heaviest that car has ever been run, and the loads on the diff were higher than they’d seen before.
Edited by Sandpit Steve on Wednesday 14th April 14:17
There's a lot they can do with the diff setup to help it cope better with increased power though. If it is a weak link in the chain, it's at least one that they can refine to get the best comprise between performance and reliability.
We'll see soon enough..
cowboyengineer said:
Just like turkey last year
Even if it does rain, it won't be anything like turkey last year - that was a freak one off.Although it did show that in shocking conditions, where no car was able to perform as desired, it was Lewis that hung on almost faultlessly.
To beat Merc/Lewis this season:
- RB must be more reliable than previously. A single DNF can cost multiple race wins with Merc in second and often third place in those races
- Checo needs to be as close to max as bottas is to Lewis
- Max has to be as stable and consistent and Lewis is in the wet / under pressure / nursing tyres etc
That's a lot to get right over and above perhaps having the fastest car.
Edited by TheDeuce on Thursday 15th April 08:04
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