Official 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**
Discussion
boyse7en said:
Just finished watching the highlights... Well, that was an eventful race. Lots going on from flashes of brilliance to mistakes from lots of drivers.
Only thing I would change is the DRS. Watching LH over the last few laps it was way too easy for him to pass - he came from miles back and just cruised past, no drama, no tension at all.
Anyway, an entertaining race. More like that please.
100% agree. Not playing down Hamilton's comeback but it would have been much better if he had had to do more to get by Norris and the Ferraris. DRS is rubbish, it gives the overtaker too much advantage. It needs removing or at least reduce the advantage.Only thing I would change is the DRS. Watching LH over the last few laps it was way too easy for him to pass - he came from miles back and just cruised past, no drama, no tension at all.
Anyway, an entertaining race. More like that please.
We still all going on about this.
It’s how F1 is, fair or unfair, everyone has the same opportunity to unlap yourself if you find yourself in the same situation as Lewis. All drivers make mistakes, it’s not Lewis first and won’t be his last same for everyone. Rules apply to all, only difference is the machinery the drivers sit in.
It’s how F1 is, fair or unfair, everyone has the same opportunity to unlap yourself if you find yourself in the same situation as Lewis. All drivers make mistakes, it’s not Lewis first and won’t be his last same for everyone. Rules apply to all, only difference is the machinery the drivers sit in.
Cliffe60 said:
100% agree. Not playing down Hamilton's comeback but it would have been much better if he had had to do more to get by Norris and the Ferraris. DRS is rubbish, it gives the overtaker too much advantage. It needs removing or at least reduce the advantage.
They has the direct opposite with DRS last year though and it wasn't being effective enough to get moves done and we ended up with possibly the most boring race of the season. It's a fine line with getting the activation points right. DanielSan said:
Cliffe60 said:
100% agree. Not playing down Hamilton's comeback but it would have been much better if he had had to do more to get by Norris and the Ferraris. DRS is rubbish, it gives the overtaker too much advantage. It needs removing or at least reduce the advantage.
They has the direct opposite with DRS last year though and it wasn't being effective enough to get moves done and we ended up with possibly the most boring race of the season. It's a fine line with getting the activation points right. There was also only one real dry line now that not-really-straight, as young George discovered when he got on a wet bit with the DRS open at 300km/h.
aston80 said:
Muzzer79 said:
How about the fact that it would take another 5 laps for everyone to get in the right order? 
With 10 teams all controlling 20 drivers, simplicity is key. Either stay where you are or unlap yourself.
Sometimes you benefit, Hamilton being case in point today. There will be a time when Verstappen will benefit.
You’re trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
Hamilton went from 80 seconds and one lap behind Ver, to 8 seconds and 0 laps.With 10 teams all controlling 20 drivers, simplicity is key. Either stay where you are or unlap yourself.
Sometimes you benefit, Hamilton being case in point today. There will be a time when Verstappen will benefit.
You’re trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
It is broken
You're whinging because it was Lewis this time. This happens to the lower grid all the time.
TheDeuce said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
One thing to note (just watching the highlights again), Hamilton had a 4.0 second pitstop and came out behind Verstappen 3.9 behind.
If Mercedes could get down to the regular Red Bull 2.0 stops he'd have come out in front.
Or 1.9 seconds behind..?If Mercedes could get down to the regular Red Bull 2.0 stops he'd have come out in front.
Anyway, when Bottas came in they did manage a 2.0 second stop, so Lewis was slightly let down but that's the way it goes sometimes.
95 fiesta si said:
Kimi has been demoted out the points for infringements, and stroll has lost a place for illegal overtake, Alonso has made it into the points
What was Kimi's infringement?I'm actually happy for Alonso. Haven't felt that in a while.
It's pretty depressing seeing Renault slump this season though. Looks like Danny Ric made the right call (though now he has Norris to deal with!) but I wonder how much his departure hurt Alpine.aston80 said:
Hamilton went from 80 seconds and one lap behind Ver, to 8 seconds and 0 laps.
It is broken
This has been the rules for donkeys years and none of the anti Hamilton brigade ever complained about it. Yesterday Hamilton benefited from it, disaster, we have to rewrite the rules of F1...It is broken
Just try to enjoy what was a fantastic race.
A fantastic drive by Max, a great recovery by Hamilton, Norris showing how good he is, the Ferrari drivers scoring very good points in Italy but more importantly Marzepin not crashing into anyone!
Following such an exciting race, the second thoroughly enjoyable one this season, with incidents most of the way through, an almost faultless race-long drive in difficult conditions from MV, lots of midfield excitement and incident, and one of the contenders coming from ninth position to second, I thought everyone, even the habitual moaners and the anti-LH mob, would be on this thread heaping praise on drivers who race these cars for our enjoyment.
Just joking of course. I knew that there would be those who turn every decision, rule and regulation that favours the driver they, for whatever reason, dislike, into a tragedy, into an anti-Hamilton diatribe, and moan and moan and moan.
There’s something about the inventiveness of man that is reassuring when a regulation that has been in existence for many seasons without criticism is suddenly seen as needing immediate cancellation, just because.
An enjoyable race. Well driven by MV, slight error notwithstanding, and a sterling drive by LH after his uncharacteristic more significant error. Lots of fun for the other places and, dare I mention it, a McL on the podium after a race-long demonstration on how to make the best of the conditions.
Just joking of course. I knew that there would be those who turn every decision, rule and regulation that favours the driver they, for whatever reason, dislike, into a tragedy, into an anti-Hamilton diatribe, and moan and moan and moan.
There’s something about the inventiveness of man that is reassuring when a regulation that has been in existence for many seasons without criticism is suddenly seen as needing immediate cancellation, just because.
An enjoyable race. Well driven by MV, slight error notwithstanding, and a sterling drive by LH after his uncharacteristic more significant error. Lots of fun for the other places and, dare I mention it, a McL on the podium after a race-long demonstration on how to make the best of the conditions.
Sandpit Steve said:
DanielSan said:
Cliffe60 said:
100% agree. Not playing down Hamilton's comeback but it would have been much better if he had had to do more to get by Norris and the Ferraris. DRS is rubbish, it gives the overtaker too much advantage. It needs removing or at least reduce the advantage.
They has the direct opposite with DRS last year though and it wasn't being effective enough to get moves done and we ended up with possibly the most boring race of the season. It's a fine line with getting the activation points right. There was also only one real dry line now that not-really-straight, as young George discovered when he got on a wet bit with the DRS open at 300km/h.
glazbagun said:
What was Kimi's infringement?
I'm actually happy for Alonso. Haven't felt that in a while. It's pretty depressing seeing Renault slump this season though. Looks like Danny Ric made the right call (though now he has Norris to deal with!) but I wonder how much his departure hurt Alpine.
Kimi got done for messing up the restart. Having spun and failed to regain his correct position before the safety car line, he should have restarted from the pit lane. I'm actually happy for Alonso. Haven't felt that in a while.
It's pretty depressing seeing Renault slump this season though. Looks like Danny Ric made the right call (though now he has Norris to deal with!) but I wonder how much his departure hurt Alpine.Stewards said this was somewhat ambiguous given the rolling (as opposed to standing) restart, but that the procedure has been the same for years and the teams should know it. Worth reading the full report below.
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-d...
I imagine Toto is pretty peeved that one of his Mercedes AMG drivers is in a position where he is battling a Williams driver on merit.
Lewis stopped for a tea break in the gravel and had a 4 second pit stop, and still would have easily beat Bottas had it not been for his retirement.
Was there ever any doubt in anyones mind that Lewis would carve through the field at the restart? Even his team knew second was on the cards. Would they ever think that about Bottas?
Lewis stopped for a tea break in the gravel and had a 4 second pit stop, and still would have easily beat Bottas had it not been for his retirement.
Was there ever any doubt in anyones mind that Lewis would carve through the field at the restart? Even his team knew second was on the cards. Would they ever think that about Bottas?
ch37 said:
I imagine Toto is pretty peeved that one of his Mercedes AMG drivers is in a position where he is battling a Williams driver on merit.
Lewis stopped for a tea break in the gravel and had a 4 second pit stop, and still would have easily beat Bottas had it not been for his retirement.
Bottas is not a good wet weather driver.Lewis stopped for a tea break in the gravel and had a 4 second pit stop, and still would have easily beat Bottas had it not been for his retirement.
Imola 2021 and Turkey 2020 are proof of that.
ch37 said:
I imagine Toto is pretty peeved that one of his Mercedes AMG drivers is in a position where he is battling a Williams driver on merit.
Lewis stopped for a tea break in the gravel and had a 4 second pit stop, and still would have easily beat Bottas had it not been for his retirement.
Was there ever any doubt in anyones mind that Lewis would carve through the field at the restart? Even his team knew second was on the cards. Would they ever think that about Bottas?
Would that have been after he caught up the lap he was behind, prior to the safety carLewis stopped for a tea break in the gravel and had a 4 second pit stop, and still would have easily beat Bottas had it not been for his retirement.
Was there ever any doubt in anyones mind that Lewis would carve through the field at the restart? Even his team knew second was on the cards. Would they ever think that about Bottas?
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