Official 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**

Official 2021 Emilia Romagna Grand Prix **SPOILERS**

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Leithen

11,016 posts

268 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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vaud said:
Leithen said:
I have a sneaking suspicion Schumacher will end up in a Mercedes within a few years.
But isn't he a Ferrari junior? I can see him moving up to Alfa next year if he drives well at Haas.

I think being at Haas is the right move this year; minimizes expectation and gives him a year where no-one can expect points... as long as he is steady and has clean races (and out races his team mate) then a faster car might beckon...
He is, but he has obvious Mercedes links. I'd be amazed if his contracts are highly restrictive.

VladD

7,869 posts

266 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Leithen said:
vaud said:
Leithen said:
I have a sneaking suspicion Schumacher will end up in a Mercedes within a few years.
But isn't he a Ferrari junior? I can see him moving up to Alfa next year if he drives well at Haas.

I think being at Haas is the right move this year; minimizes expectation and gives him a year where no-one can expect points... as long as he is steady and has clean races (and out races his team mate) then a faster car might beckon...
He is, but he has obvious Mercedes links. I'd be amazed if his contracts are highly restrictive.
I'd be surprised if he's in F1 for more than 3 years.

Gary C

12,551 posts

180 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Fundoreen said:
Im sure he can see he buggered up both mercedes factory drivers.
But if he had not taken Bottas out, then Hamilton would never have come second, so he evened it out a little smile

CoolHands

18,771 posts

196 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Schumacher junior will be like ralf.

ajprice

27,670 posts

197 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Mercedes debrief


anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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CoolHands said:
Schumacher junior will be like ralf.
Agree with that. Last season he was F2 champion, but only managed 2 wins out of 24 and 2 fastest laps (both Bahrain races). Being consistent isn't going to be enough.

Jasandjules

69,994 posts

230 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Not sure why people are now saying GR "isn't ready". Do you not recall what happened when he got into the Merc against Bottas? I mean, which driver would have won the race had the team not messed up and which driver overtook the other on track, in a car he'd never driven in race trim?!!?

Let's face it, if Lewis was not a 7 time champion people based on that performance would be questioning if he was fit to be in a merc, a silly (rookie really) error overtaking GR then breaks the front wing.....

The Moose

22,883 posts

210 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Smollet said:
We all know that's a load of st and that it was really Lewis' fault.

VladD

7,869 posts

266 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
CoolHands said:
Schumacher junior will be like ralf.
Agree with that. Last season he was F2 champion, but only managed 2 wins out of 24 and 2 fastest laps (both Bahrain races). Being consistent isn't going to be enough.
...and I don't think he had a single pole position either.

Derek Smith

45,800 posts

249 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Jasandjules said:

I have to say I was surprised when Lewis lost it overtaking GR and even more shocked he went forward when I could see he was not going to make that turn.. Still, another good recovery drive.....
I mentioned LH driving forward into the barrier to a friend and he reckons that it was down to the dreadful reverse selection method. It's a bit by guess and by god. I had an Austin 1300 like that. He went for a slot, it wasn't the one intended, but it connected.

My friend said it was in Racecar Engineering, a mythical magazine he probably invented just to stop arguments, but he's normally proved spot on.

cuprabob

14,743 posts

215 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Derek Smith said:
Jasandjules said:

I have to say I was surprised when Lewis lost it overtaking GR and even more shocked he went forward when I could see he was not going to make that turn.. Still, another good recovery drive.....
I mentioned LH driving forward into the barrier to a friend and he reckons that it was down to the dreadful reverse selection method. It's a bit by guess and by god. I had an Austin 1300 like that. He went for a slot, it wasn't the one intended, but it connected.

My friend said it was in Racecar Engineering, a mythical magazine he probably invented just to stop arguments, but he's normally proved spot on.
Racecar Engineering is in fact a genuine magazine.

Flooble

5,565 posts

101 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Derek Smith said:
Jasandjules said:

I have to say I was surprised when Lewis lost it overtaking GR and even more shocked he went forward when I could see he was not going to make that turn.. Still, another good recovery drive.....
I mentioned LH driving forward into the barrier to a friend and he reckons that it was down to the dreadful reverse selection method. It's a bit by guess and by god. I had an Austin 1300 like that. He went for a slot, it wasn't the one intended, but it connected.

My friend said it was in Racecar Engineering, a mythical magazine he probably invented just to stop arguments, but he's normally proved spot on.
I thought he was trying to spin the car around the front wheels, the way they usually do to overcome the lack of lock - but there wasn't enough grip on the front tyres so he just rolled forward instead.

TheDeuce

22,019 posts

67 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Flooble said:
Derek Smith said:
Jasandjules said:

I have to say I was surprised when Lewis lost it overtaking GR and even more shocked he went forward when I could see he was not going to make that turn.. Still, another good recovery drive.....
I mentioned LH driving forward into the barrier to a friend and he reckons that it was down to the dreadful reverse selection method. It's a bit by guess and by god. I had an Austin 1300 like that. He went for a slot, it wasn't the one intended, but it connected.

My friend said it was in Racecar Engineering, a mythical magazine he probably invented just to stop arguments, but he's normally proved spot on.
I thought he was trying to spin the car around the front wheels, the way they usually do to overcome the lack of lock - but there wasn't enough grip on the front tyres so he just rolled forward instead.
Lewis himself has said that is exactly what he tried to do. He tried, he failed... So then he went on the hunt for reverse and nursed it out that way.

The skill that made any sort of escape possible was to not fully lock the wheels as he entered the trap - must take some serious discipline to see the barrier approaching yet still try and feather the brake pedal rather than stand on it...

Flooble

5,565 posts

101 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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TheDeuce said:
Lewis himself has said that is exactly what he tried to do. He tried, he failed... So then he went on the hunt for reverse and nursed it out that way.

The skill that made any sort of escape possible was to not fully lock the wheels as he entered the trap - must take some serious discipline to see the barrier approaching yet still try and feather the brake pedal rather than stand on it...
I was also amazed he managed to reverse out, it would have been so easy to get beached. I don't know if effectively being front wheel drive made that easier, but given the near total lack of rear visibility it was seriously impressive.

Of course it would have been a lot more impressive not to fall off the track while overtaking a backmarker smile

NuvolAscaRina

440 posts

41 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Flooble said:
I don't know if effectively being front wheel drive
Sorry , what ?...

TheDeuce

22,019 posts

67 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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Flooble said:
TheDeuce said:
Lewis himself has said that is exactly what he tried to do. He tried, he failed... So then he went on the hunt for reverse and nursed it out that way.

The skill that made any sort of escape possible was to not fully lock the wheels as he entered the trap - must take some serious discipline to see the barrier approaching yet still try and feather the brake pedal rather than stand on it...
I was also amazed he managed to reverse out, it would have been so easy to get beached. I don't know if effectively being front wheel drive made that easier, but given the near total lack of rear visibility it was seriously impressive.

Of course it would have been a lot more impressive not to fall off the track while overtaking a backmarker smile
Mistakes are inevitable - how you cope with them is deliberate smile

Although I do think such an uncharacteristic mistake by Lewis is probably because he's finally feeling the pressure of an actual title battle, it's been a while..

TheDeuce

22,019 posts

67 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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NuvolAscaRina said:
Flooble said:
I don't know if effectively being front wheel drive
Sorry , what ?...
In reverse any rwd car is effectively fwd.


NuvolAscaRina

440 posts

41 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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TheDeuce said:
NuvolAscaRina said:
Flooble said:
I don't know if effectively being front wheel drive
Sorry , what ?...
In reverse any rwd car is effectively fwd.
I didn't think of that......Duh !....getmecoatbiggrin

It's been a long day , I got up before 12 noon .

TheDeuce

22,019 posts

67 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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NuvolAscaRina said:
TheDeuce said:
NuvolAscaRina said:
Flooble said:
I don't know if effectively being front wheel drive
Sorry , what ?...
In reverse any rwd car is effectively fwd.
I didn't think of that......Duh !....getmecoatbiggrin

It's been a long day , I got up before 12 noon .
smile No worries wink

anonymous-user

55 months

Wednesday 21st April 2021
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cuprabob said:
Derek Smith said:
Jasandjules said:

I have to say I was surprised when Lewis lost it overtaking GR and even more shocked he went forward when I could see he was not going to make that turn.. Still, another good recovery drive.....
I mentioned LH driving forward into the barrier to a friend and he reckons that it was down to the dreadful reverse selection method. It's a bit by guess and by god. I had an Austin 1300 like that. He went for a slot, it wasn't the one intended, but it connected.

My friend said it was in Racecar Engineering, a mythical magazine he probably invented just to stop arguments, but he's normally proved spot on.
Racecar Engineering is in fact a genuine magazine.
Mag is real, not getting it in reverse and not knowing what gear it is in, isn't.

Unlike the other PU, you cant start the engine on the Mercedes without a remote starter, to stop you stalling it they have anti-stall, which makes very low speed maneuvering with the wheels in gravel tricky as you need very low torque to stop the wheels spinning and digging in, too little throttle and poor clutch control and the anti stall kicks in, too much and you spin the wheels and beach it.