Official 2021 Styrian and Austrian GP thread **SPOILERS**

[Exige77]

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

sparta6 said:

kiseca said:

Give him the seat. Let it happen. Either he learns how to be a champ, from the champ, or he already knows enough and takes top place either in the standings or in the team.

Put him in the car and let the best man win.

Haven't you got a tennis match to go watch? Or maybe pretend you're there, turn your phone off and shake your head slowly from side to side for three hours.

We're back at W tomorrow.

What's your point ?

So there is more than one of you

[sparta6]

honda_exige said:

If you read the article it says they took turns, it was Alonso's turn and Hamilton refused to play ball.

Not really too different to how they alternate the Tow in qualifying race by race. Hamilton plays ball because Bottas isn't a threat.

Not just slippery conduct, Hamilton then got his Dad to lobby the stewards to penalise Alonso.

Fernando didn't stand a chance

[CustardOnChips]

sparta6 said:

honda_exige said:

If you read the article it says they took turns, it was Alonso's turn and Hamilton refused to play ball.

Not really too different to how they alternate the Tow in qualifying race by race. Hamilton plays ball because Bottas isn't a threat.

Not just slippery conduct, Hamilton then got his Dad to lobby the stewards to penalise Alonso.

Fernando didn't stand a chance

Alonso simply wasn't good enough to beat a rookie.

[RB Will]

WickerBill said:

RB Will said:

WickerBill said:

3 internet trolls setting the world to rights, going against everything Button, Rosberg, Alonso and Verstappen say with experience.

The world has officially gone mad.

Over 17 years on PH and I think that is the first time I've been called a troll

What have the drivers you quoted said about the topics being discussed?

I may have been a bit harsh with calling you a troll....but my point stands.

Those mentioned above have said on numerous occasions over the last decade or so how much Lewis enjoys a fight on track, how much he enjoys to race others etc etc....if you really havent seen or heard that then theres no point in trying to convince you.

I know Lewis and others have said he likes a fight, anyone who competes does or it doesn't feel like you have deserved the win. But what I was trying to say was that wanting a fight does not equal happy to lose if the other guy is better. We all like a little tussle but want to come out on top after. I cant believe he would be content as suggested if anyone takes him in a fair fight given how we see how he gets when he is close to but not winning.

swisstoni said:

RB Will said:

Over 17 years on PH and I think that is the first time I've been called a troll

What have the drivers you quoted said about the topics being discussed?

Demanding categoric evidence from people who disagree with you is a fairly common troll trait to be fair.

He called me a troll before I "demanded" anything, and I disagree with you anyway. I was asking for what the other drivers have said for my own education, I'm not the F1 encyclopaedia some on here are.

[Derek Smith]

sparta6 said:

honda_exige said:

If you read the article it says they took turns, it was Alonso's turn and Hamilton refused to play ball.

Not really too different to how they alternate the Tow in qualifying race by race. Hamilton plays ball because Bottas isn't a threat.

Not just slippery conduct, Hamilton then got his Dad to lobby the stewards to penalise Alonso.

Fernando didn't stand a chance

Good gods; there's fanatstic and there's downright weird. You got them both with your posts on this thread.

Now just when did LH debut in F1? I was young in those days. Good grief, having to go back that far is close to waving the white flag, or suggesting you are struggling. Or, perhaps, need help.

Keep them coming. Each one is a revelation. Unfortunately, not an education in F1, but maybe like a side-salad to a steak meal. Something to clear the palate for the real thing.

More please. It's fun. It's fantasy. It makes it seem as if I know a great deal about F1.

What did Hamilton ever do to you? it must have been something earth-shattering for you to become so disconnected to the reality of F1.

[ajprice]

Alfa Romeo: "We have the better car, Williams have George Russell"

https://www.planetf1.com/news/alfa-romeo-williams-...

[sparta6]

CustardOnChips said:

sparta6 said:

honda_exige said:

If you read the article it says they took turns, it was Alonso's turn and Hamilton refused to play ball.

Not really too different to how they alternate the Tow in qualifying race by race. Hamilton plays ball because Bottas isn't a threat.

Not just slippery conduct, Hamilton then got his Dad to lobby the stewards to penalise Alonso.

Fernando didn't stand a chance

Alonso simply wasn't good enough to beat a rookie.

Yes. Clearly not good enough to beat Team Hamilton plus Anthony Hamilton

[DanielSan]

ajprice said:

Alfa Romeo: "We have the better car, Williams have George Russell"

https://www.planetf1.com/news/alfa-romeo-williams-...

I'd say that's a fair comment. The Alfa seems pretty decent this year but is lacking in it's driver lineup

[swisstoni]

sparta6 said:

CustardOnChips said:

sparta6 said:

honda_exige said:

If you read the article it says they took turns, it was Alonso's turn and Hamilton refused to play ball.

Not really too different to how they alternate the Tow in qualifying race by race. Hamilton plays ball because Bottas isn't a threat.

Not just slippery conduct, Hamilton then got his Dad to lobby the stewards to penalise Alonso.

Fernando didn't stand a chance

Alonso simply wasn't good enough to beat a rookie.

Yes. Clearly not good enough to beat Team Hamilton plus Anthony Hamilton

Aww. You’re so cute !

[MustangGT]

sparta6 said:

Hamilton delivers RHETORIC.

And you've fallen for it

Should we ignore the 7 WDCs, 7 WCCs and nearly 100 race wins he has also delivered, not forgetting the 100 or so pole positions he has also delivered?

That is a lot more than mere rhetoric!

[Piginapoke]

MustangGT said:

sparta6 said:

Hamilton delivers RHETORIC.

And you've fallen for it

Should we ignore the 7 WDCs, 7 WCCs and nearly 100 race wins he has also delivered, not forgetting the 100 or so pole positions he has also delivered?

That is a lot more than mere rhetoric!

There is, a very good car.

[ajprice]

Mercedes Austria debrief

[ajprice]

[paulguitar]

Piginapoke said:

There is, a very good car.

Care to explain how Hamilton was also superior in karts, F3, F3 euro series, and GP2, in equal cars?

Cheers.

[vaud]

It's a shame in all of this squabbling that we can't maybe agree that they are all brilliant and there is no ranking in the upper echelons?

Max - brilliant
Lewis - brilliant
Lando - brilliant

etc

Sure they have their strengths and weaknesses, but generally we are pretty fortunate in the current F1 era.

No pay drivers (ok some heavily supported drivers but they aren't 7 sec off the pace)
Ultra reliable cars
End of era cars that are pretty close in performance

[HardtopManual]

There's a Hamilton thread specifically to stop other threads degenerating into this childish nonsense. Please use it.

[kambites]

People should have learned by now not to feed the trolls.

[Catatafish]

vaud said:

It's a shame in all of this squabbling that we can't maybe agree that they are all brilliant and there is no ranking in the upper echelons?

Max - brilliant
Lewis - brilliant
Lando - brilliant

etc

Sure they have their strengths and weaknesses, but generally we are pretty fortunate in the current F1 era.

No pay drivers (ok some heavily supported drivers but they aren't 7 sec off the pace)
Ultra reliable cars
End of era cars that are pretty close in performance

Those three and some of the others would rapidly converge on the same lap time in the same car.

[DanielSan]

vaud said:

It's a shame in all of this squabbling that we can't maybe agree that they are all brilliant and there is no ranking in the upper echelons?

Max - brilliant
Lewis - brilliant
Lando - brilliant

etc

Sure they have their strengths and weaknesses, but generally we are pretty fortunate in the current F1 era.

No pay drivers (ok some heavily supported drivers but they aren't 7 sec off the pace)
Ultra reliable cars
End of era cars that are pretty close in performance

On the pay driver thing, and with some hope of at least moving on from the endless Hamilton debate with the same trolls repeatedly.

I know the Haas is a st car this year, but, when it comes to Mazepin, while he is a tool he has in every other formula and indeed in a couple of tests in F1 cars shown he has some real speed. Despite this even without mistakes Mick Schumacher is for the most part destroying him particularly on race day.

So, is Mick more adaptable to a bad car and just getting the most he can out of it? Is Mazepin really and truly the worst driver on the grid by a mile and really is the best part of a minute behind his team mate at most races so far? Is it a combo of those 2? Or could it be that Mick Schumacher is actually a very special talent in an F1 car and is making an otherwise quick, but quite often idiotic team mate look sub par in comparison?

The answer realistically is probably somewhere between all of those, but it would be interesting to see him moved into the Alfa next year against Giovanazzi. If he was moved there and proceeded to beat him in a similar way to how he's beating Mazepin then there's some argument there to say that he is a special talent surely?

[Second Best]

I noticed something over the past few races. F1 has always used tracking camera shots, helicopters, and other posh camera terms that I'll just smile and nod at.

Why doesn't F1 use drones? I know it'll kill the ambience watching a couple of drones flitting around, let's say, the Russell/Alonso battle, but perhaps down the pit lane or the start/finish straight, some drones would do well to give some proper top-down action?

I know drones aren't F1-quick, but around the corners they can probably pull more G's and offer some funky new angles. I expect I'm missing something - this must have been discussed before, no?