Michael Masi should be replaced
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housen said:
LucyP said:
wtf is news today ?anyway thank you for introducing me to news today
i didn't know they were to gospel truth on all news
Andrew Benson was one in particular who said the fans were wrong, he has now said “several senior figures have told BBC Sport that they do not see how Masi can retain his position as race director”
LucyP said:
These positions were agreed last year from what I recall. Before the end of the season.Megaflow said:
Indeed. There is too much noise on social media today for something not to be going on, and crucially some of that noise has been coming from pundits that try has lighting the fans into believe the FIA’s line that we had all got it wrong and it was a misunderstanding.
Andrew Benson was one in particular who said the fans were wrong, he has now said “several senior figures have told BBC Sport that they do not see how Masi can retain his position as race director”
How much of it is the same story retold many very similar ways in an effort to generate some interest in the off season?Andrew Benson was one in particular who said the fans were wrong, he has now said “several senior figures have told BBC Sport that they do not see how Masi can retain his position as race director”
Not sure if it’s already been said but Masi should stay, receiving no communication from teams during the race, he should have an assistant who has a legal background and the stewards should give opinions as ex drivers at F1 level. Nothing wrong with Masi but he was put under immense pressure from teams and he shouldn’t have been hearing from them at that time.
Circuits should not have the run off areas they presently have so if a driver goes off circuit they risk serious damage. This last race, as have several before, were spoiled by drivers using off track areas to gain an advantage.
Failing any of this, then all races should be held on street circuits such as Monaco, Pau, Monaco, Pau, etc where there are buildings on both sides of the immediate track.
Circuits should not have the run off areas they presently have so if a driver goes off circuit they risk serious damage. This last race, as have several before, were spoiled by drivers using off track areas to gain an advantage.
Failing any of this, then all races should be held on street circuits such as Monaco, Pau, Monaco, Pau, etc where there are buildings on both sides of the immediate track.
Daily Mail (so not gospel) reporting ‘showdown’ taking place today between Mercedes and new FIA president with speculation Masi leaving being a bit part of it and also assurances over technical decisions.
It also added that the outcome would steer the direction of Hamilton driving in 2022.
I would personally be surprised if he wasn’t side stepped off to another part of the FIA. I don’t it requires someone that special that a suitable replacement couldn’t be found.
It also added that the outcome would steer the direction of Hamilton driving in 2022.
I would personally be surprised if he wasn’t side stepped off to another part of the FIA. I don’t it requires someone that special that a suitable replacement couldn’t be found.
andybracing said:
unfortunatly this is what happens when you have an american media company take over the sport, it has to be a show till the last min, like nascar, massi is just a guy doing his job as he was told to, and now a scape goat, F1 as we knew it is dead unfortunatly
The Race Director <> Liberty link should be essentially non-existent, if he was indeed being told to do things by the commercial arm of the sport then I imagine he is looking forward to a very healthy pay-off to 'step down', NDA signed, never to be seen again.The safety and the show should never mix.
ch37 said:
The Race Director <> Liberty link should be essentially non-existent, if he was indeed being told to do things by the commercial arm of the sport then I imagine he is looking forward to a very healthy pay-off to 'step down', NDA signed, never to be seen again.
The safety and the show should never mix.
i agree but having worked for race teams in america, this is often not the caseThe safety and the show should never mix.
LM240 said:
Daily Mail (so not gospel) reporting ‘showdown’ taking place today between Mercedes and new FIA president with speculation Masi leaving being a bit part of it and also assurances over technical decisions.
It also added that the outcome would steer the direction of Hamilton driving in 2022.
I would personally be surprised if he wasn’t side stepped off to another part of the FIA. I don’t it requires someone that special that a suitable replacement couldn’t be found.
The actual news in that piece, is that Wolff and ben Sulayem are apparently meeting tomorrow, and that 3rd Feb is the date of the next FIA Council meeting. It also added that the outcome would steer the direction of Hamilton driving in 2022.
I would personally be surprised if he wasn’t side stepped off to another part of the FIA. I don’t it requires someone that special that a suitable replacement couldn’t be found.
Masi is not going to be replaced for 2022. What Bin Sulayem will say is that their is an investigation taking place, that his predecessor started, and that he will take to a conclusion, that will then report, and the FIA will then consider it. By which time, the new season will have started or it will be so close to it, that it will be too late or too unfair to parachute a replacement in at the last minute, even assuming that the report or the FIA conclude that that is what is required, which they won't.
What it will conclude is that Masi needs an assistant/(s) and that being badgered in one ear by RBR to do X and; by Merc in the other to do Y, at the same time, and having about 5 seconds to make a very important decision is unfair on anyone, especially when in many of the instances last year, the decision making process was out of Masi's hands, and was in those of the stewards, and that badgering will no longer be allowed. That badgering, and the need to make a split second decision under extreme conflicting pressures in the last race, were the most important factors that led to what happened.
It will also conclude that the rules generally need to be clarified and that will also happen.
You also cannot just dismiss someone without carrying out an investigation first, otherwise Masi will have a claim for unfair dismissal and what at law (disregarding the partisan rantings of fans) has he done in the circumstances that amounts to gross misconduct justifying his dismissal, or demotion, or some other sanction?
You also cannot just demand that A will not participate in future in the sport unless the referee/umpire etc. is removed. What sport can allow that ridiculous position? Wimbledon would have been a bit short of umpires back in McEnroe's day, had that been allowed, and football might be a bit short too.
The proper process is an appeal to the FIA Court, and Mercedes chose and/or were advised not to do that, and Bin Sulayem will probably remind them of that too.
What it will conclude is that Masi needs an assistant/(s) and that being badgered in one ear by RBR to do X and; by Merc in the other to do Y, at the same time, and having about 5 seconds to make a very important decision is unfair on anyone, especially when in many of the instances last year, the decision making process was out of Masi's hands, and was in those of the stewards, and that badgering will no longer be allowed. That badgering, and the need to make a split second decision under extreme conflicting pressures in the last race, were the most important factors that led to what happened.
It will also conclude that the rules generally need to be clarified and that will also happen.
You also cannot just dismiss someone without carrying out an investigation first, otherwise Masi will have a claim for unfair dismissal and what at law (disregarding the partisan rantings of fans) has he done in the circumstances that amounts to gross misconduct justifying his dismissal, or demotion, or some other sanction?
You also cannot just demand that A will not participate in future in the sport unless the referee/umpire etc. is removed. What sport can allow that ridiculous position? Wimbledon would have been a bit short of umpires back in McEnroe's day, had that been allowed, and football might be a bit short too.
The proper process is an appeal to the FIA Court, and Mercedes chose and/or were advised not to do that, and Bin Sulayem will probably remind them of that too.
There are 101 ways of removing somebody from a role without formally 'dismissing' or sacking them, especially at that level with that sort of money involved. Being politely asked to step aside, healthy pay off in his bank, press release 'thanking him for his service and he's off to spend some time with his family' etc etc would be an unsurprising outcome.
LucyP said:
You also cannot just demand that A will not participate in future in the sport unless the referee/umpire etc. is removed. What sport can allow that ridiculous position? Wimbledon would have been a bit short of umpires back in McEnroe's day, had that been allowed, and football might be a bit short too.
Umpires & Referee's have arguably more powers than an F1 RD & as such are continually assessed on performance by their peers ... a few have been removed from officiating top events after complaints about their competencyLucyP said:
What it will conclude is that Masi needs an assistant/(s) and that being badgered in one ear by RBR to do X and; by Merc in the other to do Y, at the same time, and having about 5 seconds to make a very important decision is unfair on anyone, especially when in many of the instances last year, the decision making process was out of Masi's hands, and was in those of the stewards, and that badgering will no longer be allowed. That badgering, and the need to make a split second decision under extreme conflicting pressures in the last race, were the most important factors that led to what happened.
It will also conclude that the rules generally need to be clarified and that will also happen.
I think this is probably the outcome..It will also conclude that the rules generally need to be clarified and that will also happen.
angrymoby said:
LucyP said:
You also cannot just demand that A will not participate in future in the sport unless the referee/umpire etc. is removed. What sport can allow that ridiculous position? Wimbledon would have been a bit short of umpires back in McEnroe's day, had that been allowed, and football might be a bit short too.
Umpires & Referee's have arguably more powers than an F1 RD & as such are continually assessed on performance by their peers ... a few have been removed from officiating top events after complaints about their competencywas there a lot of random rule changes in football and tennis during important games in the last 40 years ?
housen said:
was there a lot of random rule changes in football and tennis during important games in the last 40 years ?
There was an international Rugby Union game a few years ago where towards the end of the game one team (I believe it was Wales) asked the referee whether, if they kicked for touch, there would be time to take the lineout and push for a try before the final whistle. He said yes so they kicked for touch... he then blew the final whistle, not letting them take the lineout. Had they opted to kick for the posts instead, they could have won the game. Feels broadly analogous?
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