Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?

Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?

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CABC

4,940 posts

85 months

Friday 18th November
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need more girls in karts. maybe a girl-only competition until the ago of 10?

andburg

5,907 posts

153 months

Friday 18th November
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dont need girls only

needs girls to want to do it and somebody to pay

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Friday 18th November
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What we need is more affordable racing and whoever rises to the top, rises to the top. Be they male, female or other...

Bright Halo

2,453 posts

219 months

Friday 18th November
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What is the point?
Does Jamie Chadwick now have to compete in this series as well to prove she is the best female driver?
What then, f3, f2? She will be too old by the time she gets to F1
Ridiculous.
We don’t need more female only championships we need to give them the opportunity to compete with men.

trackdemon

11,570 posts

245 months

Friday 18th November
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Tobermory said:
Finding such an exceptional driver amongst the much smaller pool of female drivers is always going to be much less likely, and then you have to factor in all the other additional obstacles that they face.
Eh? scratchchin Far as I can tell, there is no race series which excludes women solely to benefit men whereas we now have two such series for women only. Seems to me there's a better chance of X% of women interested in motorsport making it into one of these series than a young lad making it into 'normal' F4/3.

I still don't understand the clamour that we must get a woman to F1. If women are generally less interested in motorsport then so be it, we don't jump around trying to tip things in favour of blokes when a different role is mostly female led.

Finally, as with W series I don't see the point of the series without a defined progression into F3. At which point the usual racing rules would apply, it's just that some will have had a nice leg up otherwise unavailable to men.


vulture1

10,658 posts

163 months

Saturday 19th November
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THEY HAVE THE OPORTUNITY!

KARTING> FORMULA RENAULT>, F3> F2> F1.

Route open to anyone. Nobody in motorsport care if you have boobs or balls. Money, contacts talant in that order.

Joey Deacon

6,264 posts

160 months

Saturday 19th November
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vulture1 said:
THEY HAVE THE OPORTUNITY!

KARTING> FORMULA RENAULT>, F3> F2> F1.

Route open to anyone. Nobody in motorsport care if you have boobs or balls. Money, contacts talant in that order.
This is the inconvenient truth of the matter. Having a separate series only open to women is not helping the problem, it is actually making it worse.

No f1 team is going to spend £140 million and employ hundreds of people to build a car and not have the best driver possible to drive it.

Even numpties like Mazapin, Stroll and Latiffi who patents have paid for their drive have done reasonably well in F2 and F3.

No F1 team is going to have a female driver who had never won anything drive their car because HR have it as part of their equal opportunities policy.

I personally cannot ever see a woman driver making it, it is just way too competitive now and there are thousands of male drivers who were not quite good enough either. That is a fact, it isn't being sexiest.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Saturday 19th November
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Men seem to be less intelligent judging by the comments. Of course men are more adapted for the physical task in the majority, but can women meet those tasks? Yes! Will there be the equivalent of a herd of bison on an 1800 US prairie moving towards an F1 drive? No.

The chances are slim, but the possibility is there, however remote.

LukeBrown66

3,182 posts

30 months

Saturday 19th November
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OK let me ask you this naysayers?

if a girl comes through is top 5 in every formula to GP2, so perhaps same level as a Latifi, Diniz, Palmer, would she get a chance?

For Gods sake she would be offered tests by half the damn grid.

Nobody even close to that level has come through yet, but it will happen eventually, that is what Danica was, a half decent driver who did OK in CART and then struggled in NASCAR, she was good enough to warrant her place arguably and that is all you can ask just now for a woman getting to F1

If Latifi, Diniz, Mazespin, Stroll are good enough, so would a woman be if she got to Gp3/2 level and was getting good results.

And the money she would attract would probably be enough tog et her there regardless.

andyA700

1,710 posts

21 months

Saturday 19th November
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PhilAsia said:
Men seem to be less intelligent judging by the comments. Of course men are more adapted for the physical task in the majority, but can women meet those tasks? Yes! Will there be the equivalent of a herd of bison on an 1800 US prairie moving towards an F1 drive? No.

The chances are slim, but the possibility is there, however remote.
Where are the unintelligent comments?
If Chadwick wants to race in F1, then she has to do it the same way as the blokes, because a women's class is not the way to go, it isn't helping her, it is holding her back.
As others have said, she should have gone F3 - F2 - F1 on merit.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Saturday 19th November
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andyA700 said:
PhilAsia said:
Men seem to be less intelligent judging by the comments. Of course men are more adapted for the physical task in the majority, but can women meet those tasks? Yes! Will there be the equivalent of a herd of bison on an 1800 US prairie moving towards an F1 drive? No.

The chances are slim, but the possibility is there, however remote.
Where are the unintelligent comments?
If Chadwick wants to race in F1, then she has to do it the same way as the blokes, because a women's class is not the way to go, it isn't helping her, it is holding her back.
As others have said, she should have gone F3 - F2 - F1 on merit.
Eh? Did you understand my comment?

I completely agree with you. F3 - F2 - F1 on merit is how to prove your ability and women can potentially meet the physical task in F1.

What didn't you understand?

andyA700

1,710 posts

21 months

Saturday 19th November
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PhilAsia said:
andyA700 said:
PhilAsia said:
Men seem to be less intelligent judging by the comments. Of course men are more adapted for the physical task in the majority, but can women meet those tasks? Yes! Will there be the equivalent of a herd of bison on an 1800 US prairie moving towards an F1 drive? No.

The chances are slim, but the possibility is there, however remote.
Where are the unintelligent comments?
If Chadwick wants to race in F1, then she has to do it the same way as the blokes, because a women's class is not the way to go, it isn't helping her, it is holding her back.
As others have said, she should have gone F3 - F2 - F1 on merit.
Eh? Did you understand my comment?

I completely agree with you. F3 - F2 - F1 on merit is how to prove your ability and women can potentially meet the physical task in F1.

What didn't you understand?
We will only know their potential if they achieve it.

DocJock

7,794 posts

224 months

Sunday 20th November
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I was thinking of this thread yesterday whilst watching the F2 sprint.

After the restarrt, Tatiana Calderon was running 18th (last) and losing over one second a lap on the driver running 17th and 2 seconds per lap on the leaders.

Castellet

32 posts

2 months

Sunday 20th November
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In fairness to Calderon, and as I understand it, she has realistic ambitions.
Nice girl, and benefits from generous funding, but the non-pas F2 car has to be set up for her with reduced steering weight, so can never be as competitive?

Koln-RS

3,565 posts

196 months

Sunday 20th November
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I think the recently announced F1 Academy will help F1 fully understand the physiological obstacles that women face as they aim to progress through F3 and F2, and these cars may well start to feature power steering to level the playing field.
Makes sense if F1 cars have it.

PhilAsia

2,227 posts

59 months

Sunday 20th November
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Koln-RS said:
I think the recently announced F1 Academy will help F1 fully understand the physiological obstacles that women face as they aim to progress through F3 and F2, and these cars may well start to feature power steering to level the playing field.
Makes sense if F1 cars have it.
My understanding is that they have hydraulic power assisted steering in F1 cars, or used to.

EDIT Ah, you meant F3 and F2...ignore

LukeBrown66

3,182 posts

30 months

Sunday 20th November
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I was not aware that there is not power steering in some of the lesser F1 circus categories, that is obviously a potential issue for women. But I do seriously believe for the right person it would not be an obstacle, it would be a hurdle yes, but hurdles can be easily overcome. They are big cars and huge tyres, and this is controversial, but if you want more equality is it really going to hurt any diver's chance if there is power steering?

Or was Calderon perhaps just not fit enough and a bit of a wuss!!

shirt

21,214 posts

185 months

Monday 21st November
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LukeBrown66 said:
Or was Calderon perhaps just not fit enough and a bit of a wuss!!
she doesn't look like she spends much time in the gym to be fair. this isn't a dig at her, more an observation that she doesn't have an athlete's build, a stark contrast to the men on the grid around her.


andburg

5,907 posts

153 months

Monday 21st November
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LukeBrown66 said:
OK let me ask you this naysayers?

if a girl comes through is top 5 in every formula to GP2, so perhaps same level as a Latifi, Diniz, Palmer, would she get a chance?

For Gods sake she would be offered tests by half the damn grid.

Nobody even close to that level has come through yet, but it will happen eventually, that is what Danica was, a half decent driver who did OK in CART and then struggled in NASCAR, she was good enough to warrant her place arguably and that is all you can ask just now for a woman getting to F1

If Latifi, Diniz, Mazespin, Stroll are good enough, so would a woman be if she got to Gp3/2 level and was getting good results.

And the money she would attract would probably be enough tog et her there regardless.
but that's the problem...no woman good enough has come through that system.
It's not to say they wont but in order to inspire more women to try it they need more girls seeing women competing at a world level and it doesn't help to have them running last as they've been pushed past where talent would naturally get them.

I'm numbers up now but lets assume 90% of kart racers are male, and from that 1% make world F3, 10% of those make F2 and 10% of those make F1 thats 0.00009% make it, I'm probably being rather optimistic with my percentages. Just based on the number starting out it makes a woman being good enough for F1 nine times less likely before talent.

With a women only series they suddenly have a much less competition for the seats.

There will be women out there with the potential to be in F1 but they're doing other things completely unrelated. W series is there to inspire those women to take up motorsport, it could well be very successful in that, but its shortcoming as a standalone series have not really helped Jamie as shes been unable to progress from it. At least the new system will allow progression.

andburg

5,907 posts

153 months

Thursday 1st December
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and shes signed for Andretti in Indy lights

Big pressure year for her, after 3 years of success shes back in it with the guys.