Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
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oh come on,
theres not one single F1 team that wouldnt snap up a talented driver female or not if she or he was quicker than what they currently have (unless its a paid seat - but thats another argument)
F1 is in the business of hiring the best person for the job, i dont think theres many team principles would give a monkeys if the driver is male female trans or anything else is they bring more to the team than the next driver. note its not just outright pace as thats only part of the equation. A driver needs to bring multiple skills to the table, being able to effectively feedback to engineers, have a modicum of mechanical sympathy as well as many other attributes along with being able to pedal a car round a track quickly.
theres not one single F1 team that wouldnt snap up a talented driver female or not if she or he was quicker than what they currently have (unless its a paid seat - but thats another argument)
F1 is in the business of hiring the best person for the job, i dont think theres many team principles would give a monkeys if the driver is male female trans or anything else is they bring more to the team than the next driver. note its not just outright pace as thats only part of the equation. A driver needs to bring multiple skills to the table, being able to effectively feedback to engineers, have a modicum of mechanical sympathy as well as many other attributes along with being able to pedal a car round a track quickly.
Broken record again sorry.
There is nothing involved in driving an F1 car that a woman could not handle physically.
Maybe at the very highest level ie against a Max or Lewis there might be a tiny bit lacking physically, but if that is the margin you are looking at, a woman who could get that close would have a very long carer in F1!
There is nothing involved in driving an F1 car that a woman could not handle physically.
Maybe at the very highest level ie against a Max or Lewis there might be a tiny bit lacking physically, but if that is the margin you are looking at, a woman who could get that close would have a very long carer in F1!
LukeBrown66 said:
Broken record again sorry.
There is nothing involved in driving an F1 car that a woman could not handle physically.
Maybe at the very highest level ie against a Max or Lewis there might be a tiny bit lacking physically, but if that is the margin you are looking at, a woman who could get that close would have a very long carer in F1!
I don’t know for sure, but the 2 areas I’d have expected there to be a physical issue were the g forces on the neck and pressing the brake pedal. Both of which I understand to be pretty intense.There is nothing involved in driving an F1 car that a woman could not handle physically.
Maybe at the very highest level ie against a Max or Lewis there might be a tiny bit lacking physically, but if that is the margin you are looking at, a woman who could get that close would have a very long carer in F1!
In the 5 mins St Pete NXT highlights here https://youtu.be/cAzISeueIRM Jamie puts it in the barriers twice and up the escape road once. Meanwhile a rookie finishes in 2nd place.
carl_w said:
In the 5 mins St Pete NXT highlights here https://youtu.be/cAzISeueIRM Jamie puts it in the barriers twice and up the escape road once. Meanwhile a rookie finishes in 2nd place.
Thanks for that, really exciting racing, doesn't bode well for JC though.The Moose said:
LukeBrown66 said:
Broken record again sorry.
There is nothing involved in driving an F1 car that a woman could not handle physically.
Maybe at the very highest level ie against a Max or Lewis there might be a tiny bit lacking physically, but if that is the margin you are looking at, a woman who could get that close would have a very long carer in F1!
I don’t know for sure, but the 2 areas I’d have expected there to be a physical issue were the g forces on the neck and pressing the brake pedal. Both of which I understand to be pretty intense.There is nothing involved in driving an F1 car that a woman could not handle physically.
Maybe at the very highest level ie against a Max or Lewis there might be a tiny bit lacking physically, but if that is the margin you are looking at, a woman who could get that close would have a very long carer in F1!
Glasgowrob said:
Annoying to watch people get priority and publicity purely on their sex
As much as the ladies mentioned are probably a better driver than 99% of the posters on PH they are being promoted above their ability levels purely because they have vaginas.
I identify as a woman can I have a btcc seat please if I strut round the paddock in heels and a wig when out the car ?
The reality in motorsport is, talent is sadly very low down the list of reasons why someone has a drive. There are far, far more men racing at a high level who are less talented than Jamie and plenty of talented male drivers without a race seat. I’m perfectly happy to see Jamie and others get a drive as they’re easily more deserving than many guys in high levels of motorsport…As much as the ladies mentioned are probably a better driver than 99% of the posters on PH they are being promoted above their ability levels purely because they have vaginas.
I identify as a woman can I have a btcc seat please if I strut round the paddock in heels and a wig when out the car ?
RacerMike said:
The reality in motorsport is, talent is sadly very low down the list of reasons why someone has a drive. There are far, far more men racing at a high level who are less talented than Jamie and plenty of talented male drivers without a race seat. I’m perfectly happy to see Jamie and others get a drive as they’re easily more deserving than many guys in high levels of motorsport…
Who in F1 or a works WEC team is slower than Jamie?Yazza54 said:
RB Will said:
vulture1 said:
Tsunodo is tiny he manages fine.
Lb for lb men are considerably stronger than women thoughThere’s a required level of fitness for an F1 driver, but it’s not the differentiator of performance that it is in most sports, and it’s attainable by most people who employ a full-time personal trainer. A lady driver would need to spend a lot of time in the gym, but it’s doable.
Yuki Tsunoda looks like a jockey, but still gets fit enough. Danica Patrick is even smaller and raced Indycars for years. Ladies have raced in F3 and F2 in recent years, which are still fast cars with high cornering speeds. The last woman to drive an F1 car was Susie Wolff, who’s also pretty small.
Yuki Tsunoda looks like a jockey, but still gets fit enough. Danica Patrick is even smaller and raced Indycars for years. Ladies have raced in F3 and F2 in recent years, which are still fast cars with high cornering speeds. The last woman to drive an F1 car was Susie Wolff, who’s also pretty small.
The Moose said:
thegreenhell said:
Yazza54 said:
And it's mental that even needs pointing out
No more mental than some people thinking that means no woman can ever achieve the required physicality for F1.
t male drivers get to F1 if they have rich daddies. We may never see a woman in F1 but only because the odds are so heavily stacked against them in terms of numbers Vs men.
What I absolutely cannot stand though is drivers getting in the spotlight and getting drives for woke reasons. That is basically what W series was entirely founded upon and it was a total flop. Good on Sophia Floersch for shunning it.
500TORQUES said:
RacerMike said:
The reality in motorsport is, talent is sadly very low down the list of reasons why someone has a drive. There are far, far more men racing at a high level who are less talented than Jamie and plenty of talented male drivers without a race seat. I’m perfectly happy to see Jamie and others get a drive as they’re easily more deserving than many guys in high levels of motorsport…
Who in F1 or a works WEC team is slower than Jamie?Plenty of ‘pro’ drivers in WEC are more than this off their team mates let alone pole. Plenty of people who were Pro’s in British GT were slower than she was at 16 and I can guarantee there will be people in F1 who are more than a second off the ultimate pace of the car.
Motorsport does a great job or washing over all this. Unless you’ve either raced against people considered pro’s or been an engineer at that level, the world of motorsport is opaque. The assumption is people ‘with a drive’ are there for their talent. Sadly they rarely are.
Edited by RacerMike on Saturday 11th March 20:21
RacerMike said:
She’s at worst 1s off the ultimate pace (as demonstrated by qualifying in IL where she was 0.8 off pole).
Plenty of ‘pro’ drivers in WEC are more than this off their team mates let alone pole. Plenty of people who were Pro’s in British GT were slower than she was at 16 and I can guarantee there will be people in F1 who are more than a second off the ultimate pace of the car.
Motorsport does a great job or washing over all this. Unless you’ve either raced against people considered pro’s or been an engineer at that level, the world of motorsport is opaque. The assumption is people ‘with a drive’ are there for their talent. Sadly they rarely are.
You can't name one can you.Plenty of ‘pro’ drivers in WEC are more than this off their team mates let alone pole. Plenty of people who were Pro’s in British GT were slower than she was at 16 and I can guarantee there will be people in F1 who are more than a second off the ultimate pace of the car.
Motorsport does a great job or washing over all this. Unless you’ve either raced against people considered pro’s or been an engineer at that level, the world of motorsport is opaque. The assumption is people ‘with a drive’ are there for their talent. Sadly they rarely are.
Edited by RacerMike on Saturday 11th March 20:21
British GT is a low level formula and not WEC works level, i could outdrive some of those guys.
1s in a spec formula is massive.
As i said earlier in the thread, lets see how she goes on a more familiar style of circuit before writing her off in this particular formula.
500TORQUES said:
RacerMike said:
She’s at worst 1s off the ultimate pace (as demonstrated by qualifying in IL where she was 0.8 off pole).
Plenty of ‘pro’ drivers in WEC are more than this off their team mates let alone pole. Plenty of people who were Pro’s in British GT were slower than she was at 16 and I can guarantee there will be people in F1 who are more than a second off the ultimate pace of the car.
Motorsport does a great job or washing over all this. Unless you’ve either raced against people considered pro’s or been an engineer at that level, the world of motorsport is opaque. The assumption is people ‘with a drive’ are there for their talent. Sadly they rarely are.
You can't name one can you.Plenty of ‘pro’ drivers in WEC are more than this off their team mates let alone pole. Plenty of people who were Pro’s in British GT were slower than she was at 16 and I can guarantee there will be people in F1 who are more than a second off the ultimate pace of the car.
Motorsport does a great job or washing over all this. Unless you’ve either raced against people considered pro’s or been an engineer at that level, the world of motorsport is opaque. The assumption is people ‘with a drive’ are there for their talent. Sadly they rarely are.
Edited by RacerMike on Saturday 11th March 20:21
British GT is a low level formula and not WEC works level, i could outdrive some of those guys.
1s in a spec formula is massive.
As i said earlier in the thread, lets see how she goes on a more familiar style of circuit before writing her off in this particular formula.
Apologies that it means it undermines your clearly very passionate point, but I’d be interested to know what experience you’re basing your opinion on. At best I’m assuming it’s avid fan.
Edited by RacerMike on Saturday 11th March 21:55
RacerMike said:
Why do I need to? I mean you could literally just go and look at the results from any WEC round and see the lap time variance. Apologies that it means it undermines your cleverly very passionate point, but I’d be interested to know what experience you’re basing your opinion on. At best I’m assuming it’s avid fan.
I know enough about it to comment. There is nothing clever or passionate about my post either. Not that it's relevant, Jamie has an uphill battle to win, because she is well short of what is required on her current showing to stay where she is, never mind progress. She needs to improve fast.As i have said, lets see how she goes next time, i hope she surprises everyone as she is a nice enough young lady, but that's not what counts in professional motorsport.
carl_w said:
In the 5 mins St Pete NXT highlights here https://youtu.be/cAzISeueIRM Jamie puts it in the barriers twice and up the escape road once. Meanwhile a rookie finishes in 2nd place.
Be fair. The first accident was somebody else crashing leaving her nowhere to go, similarly with the escape road incident. One lock up into the tyres was her fault. First race in new car, new tyres, could happen to anybody.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff