Jamie Chadwick - First competitive female driver in F1?
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Bright Halo said:
MustangGT said:
alisdairm said:
Aston Martin: Jessica Hawkins becomes first woman to test F1 car since 2018
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/66921772
The former W Series racer, 28, alternated in the car with test and reserve driver Felipe Drugovich.
No mention of times to compare both driver.
If she is ex W series then she is probably slower than Jamie Chadwick.https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/66921772
The former W Series racer, 28, alternated in the car with test and reserve driver Felipe Drugovich.
No mention of times to compare both driver.
Why on earth does she get a test drive ahead of Jamie? Something to do with money I would guess. Great to see a lady testing but at least put the best qualified lady in the test or it just becomes a publicity stunt.
she's a "driver ambassador" whatever the fvck that is. She's hot /end storyJoey Deacon said:
pheonix478 said:
She's hot /end story
Pretty much the biggest requirement, looking good in the racing overalls and having social media presence. Far more important than actually being able to drive a racecar quickly.
She's Abbie Eaton's partner which probably helps. Abbie is another one who I can't really understand how she's had the opportunities she's had. She did fairly well in a bit of club racing then next minute she's on the grand tour.
No point hating on them though, if I got the opportunity I'd grab it with both hands. Clearly just woke initiatives at play though, hopefully it inspires some young women to get into Motorsport but ultimately the fact that they need to give her a go for publicity on a closed test day actually proves the opposite, she's not got what it takes and they're using her to look progressive, but she got something out of it, I guess.
The problem is that at the moment there is not very much female talent to choose from at anything other than club level.
I see endless posts about it, in all sorts of places but sadly most of the time the results are not very good. I am a form believer that it will come.
Currently though a Mouton or even Danica is not even close.
I see endless posts about it, in all sorts of places but sadly most of the time the results are not very good. I am a form believer that it will come.
Currently though a Mouton or even Danica is not even close.
MustangGT said:
I do not see much difference between Floersch and Chadwick in past series. Why do you think SF is better qualified?
Sophia is doing somewhat alright in F3, whereas Jamie repeated the same performance level we saw from her in FREC by being at the back of the IndyNXT grid.Sophia's results in FREC were stronger than Jamie's, despite being less experienced in that level and car. The difference is Jamie was treated as the media's golden girl because she was the best in W Series, which was highly protected from a narrative perspective.
It squandered substantial amounts of money yet no outlet even questioned it, instead they joined the chorus blaming a supposed lack of funding as the reason for failure.
Yazza54 said:
Joey Deacon said:
pheonix478 said:
She's hot /end story
Pretty much the biggest requirement, looking good in the racing overalls and having social media presence. Far more important than actually being able to drive a racecar quickly.
She's Abbie Eaton's partner which probably helps. Abbie is another one who I can't really understand how she's had the opportunities she's had. She did fairly well in a bit of club racing then next minute she's on the grand tour.
No point hating on them though, if I got the opportunity I'd grab it with both hands. Clearly just woke initiatives at play though, hopefully it inspires some young women to get into Motorsport but ultimately the fact that they need to give her a go for publicity on a closed test day actually proves the opposite, she's not got what it takes and they're using her to look progressive, but she got something out of it, I guess.
At least, not in my eyes.
You (and others) need to remember that everyone is fully aware that the current crop of female racers don't have what it takes to reach F1.
What is being played is a much longer game whereby the current women are seen as path-makers for the future of women in motorsport.
In layman's terms, a small girl now will see Hawkins driving an Aston Martin and think
"Wow, so we can do that. That's what I want to do"
It's a cliche, but it's the only way to get minorities, be that through race or sex, into top level sport by merit.
Muzzer79 said:
Yazza54 said:
Joey Deacon said:
pheonix478 said:
She's hot /end story
Pretty much the biggest requirement, looking good in the racing overalls and having social media presence. Far more important than actually being able to drive a racecar quickly.
She's Abbie Eaton's partner which probably helps. Abbie is another one who I can't really understand how she's had the opportunities she's had. She did fairly well in a bit of club racing then next minute she's on the grand tour.
No point hating on them though, if I got the opportunity I'd grab it with both hands. Clearly just woke initiatives at play though, hopefully it inspires some young women to get into Motorsport but ultimately the fact that they need to give her a go for publicity on a closed test day actually proves the opposite, she's not got what it takes and they're using her to look progressive, but she got something out of it, I guess.
At least, not in my eyes.
You (and others) need to remember that everyone is fully aware that the current crop of female racers don't have what it takes to reach F1.
What is being played is a much longer game whereby the current women are seen as path-makers for the future of women in motorsport.
In layman's terms, a small girl now will see Hawkins driving an Aston Martin and think
"Wow, so we can do that. That's what I want to do"
It's a cliche, but it's the only way to get minorities, be that through race or sex, into top level sport by merit.
Of course it's positive discrimination, but that's what you have to do sometimes when something is so out of balance as the current gender representation in the sport. Otherwise it would never get corrected.
And it's only a one-off private test in an old car. It's not like she's been given a chance to replace Lance in the next race.
And it's only a one-off private test in an old car. It's not like she's been given a chance to replace Lance in the next race.
Yazza54 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Yazza54 said:
Joey Deacon said:
pheonix478 said:
She's hot /end story
Pretty much the biggest requirement, looking good in the racing overalls and having social media presence. Far more important than actually being able to drive a racecar quickly.
She's Abbie Eaton's partner which probably helps. Abbie is another one who I can't really understand how she's had the opportunities she's had. She did fairly well in a bit of club racing then next minute she's on the grand tour.
No point hating on them though, if I got the opportunity I'd grab it with both hands. Clearly just woke initiatives at play though, hopefully it inspires some young women to get into Motorsport but ultimately the fact that they need to give her a go for publicity on a closed test day actually proves the opposite, she's not got what it takes and they're using her to look progressive, but she got something out of it, I guess.
At least, not in my eyes.
You (and others) need to remember that everyone is fully aware that the current crop of female racers don't have what it takes to reach F1.
What is being played is a much longer game whereby the current women are seen as path-makers for the future of women in motorsport.
In layman's terms, a small girl now will see Hawkins driving an Aston Martin and think
"Wow, so we can do that. That's what I want to do"
It's a cliche, but it's the only way to get minorities, be that through race or sex, into top level sport by merit.
Nobody is actually going to sign Hawkins, Floersch or any of the others for F1. If that were the case, then it would be positive discrimination.
I don't think we can honestly say that another driver has had their F1 chance compromised because Hawkins drove the Aston Martin the other day. Drugovich (who is the real potential) got his drive. Think of Hawkins more as a demo run. If AM wanted to run someone else in the car, they would do it in addition to Hawkins and Drugovich.
But it is important to highlight what's possible for young girls, if they are good enough. They need that sign that it can be done, just as Hamilton has shown black people that it's possible to be the best there is.
The day that F1 chooses a driver based on sex is the day I'll stop watching. But I really believe that won't happen.
The day a woman wins on merit, I'll be cheering as loudly as anyone.
If women are regularly winning races in F2 or even F3 and never getting a chance at a F1 test then there might be case about lack of gender representation. until then, it's just marketing (with all it entails) to put one, Chadwick or otherwise who has been the most competitive of them, into a F1 car.
Muzzer79 said:
Yazza54 said:
Muzzer79 said:
Yazza54 said:
Joey Deacon said:
pheonix478 said:
She's hot /end story
Pretty much the biggest requirement, looking good in the racing overalls and having social media presence. Far more important than actually being able to drive a racecar quickly.
She's Abbie Eaton's partner which probably helps. Abbie is another one who I can't really understand how she's had the opportunities she's had. She did fairly well in a bit of club racing then next minute she's on the grand tour.
No point hating on them though, if I got the opportunity I'd grab it with both hands. Clearly just woke initiatives at play though, hopefully it inspires some young women to get into Motorsport but ultimately the fact that they need to give her a go for publicity on a closed test day actually proves the opposite, she's not got what it takes and they're using her to look progressive, but she got something out of it, I guess.
At least, not in my eyes.
You (and others) need to remember that everyone is fully aware that the current crop of female racers don't have what it takes to reach F1.
What is being played is a much longer game whereby the current women are seen as path-makers for the future of women in motorsport.
In layman's terms, a small girl now will see Hawkins driving an Aston Martin and think
"Wow, so we can do that. That's what I want to do"
It's a cliche, but it's the only way to get minorities, be that through race or sex, into top level sport by merit.
Nobody is actually going to sign Hawkins, Floersch or any of the others for F1. If that were the case, then it would be positive discrimination.
I don't think we can honestly say that another driver has had their F1 chance compromised because Hawkins drove the Aston Martin the other day. Drugovich (who is the real potential) got his drive. Think of Hawkins more as a demo run. If AM wanted to run someone else in the car, they would do it in addition to Hawkins and Drugovich.
But it is important to highlight what's possible for young girls, if they are good enough. They need that sign that it can be done, just as Hamilton has shown black people that it's possible to be the best there is.
The day that F1 chooses a driver based on sex is the day I'll stop watching. But I really believe that won't happen.
The day a woman wins on merit, I'll be cheering as loudly as anyone.
Agree with your last statement. I hope it happens.
thegreenhell said:
Of course it's positive discrimination, but that's what you have to do sometimes when something is so out of balance as the current gender representation in the sport. Otherwise it would never get corrected.
And it's only a one-off private test in an old car. It's not like she's been given a chance to replace Lance in the next race.
W series was an artificial means of trying to correct the balance you speak of, look where that ended up. And it's only a one-off private test in an old car. It's not like she's been given a chance to replace Lance in the next race.
I totally get that young girls need to be inspired to take up Motorsport and certain thing have to be done to help that along.. but also maybe most girls just aren't into it? Should we force them to be?
thegreenhell said:
Of course it's positive discrimination, but that's what you have to do sometimes when something is so out of balance as the current gender representation in the sport. Otherwise it would never get corrected.
And it's only a one-off private test in an old car. It's not like she's been given a chance to replace Lance in the next race.
So discrimination (call it positive all you like, it doesn't make it a good thing) is ok so long as those being discriminated against are deemed deserving of it. Yet you think you are on the good side here? In this case there is nothing to be corrected. Crap drivers don't get further chances of progression if they aren't performing. It's not as if male drivers always gets funding and higher drives regardless of results. Far better drivers have left racing because they didn't have funding.And it's only a one-off private test in an old car. It's not like she's been given a chance to replace Lance in the next race.
Edited by Peacockantony on Tuesday 26th September 17:20
Joey Deacon said:
pheonix478 said:
She's hot /end story
Pretty much the biggest requirement, looking good in the racing overalls and having social media presence. Far more important than actually being able to drive a racecar quickly.
If they could be forthright about it then both parties could probably earn significantly more.
Congratulations to Jess, hope she had a great day out!
Yes it’s marketing and money, these things always are, and yes there are more deserving women of an F1 test on pure merit, two of which already have arrangements with other F1 teams; but let’s all play the long game and do what we can to get more girls driving karts at the weekend, so that we end up with a lady competing at the highest level sometime soon.
Yes it’s marketing and money, these things always are, and yes there are more deserving women of an F1 test on pure merit, two of which already have arrangements with other F1 teams; but let’s all play the long game and do what we can to get more girls driving karts at the weekend, so that we end up with a lady competing at the highest level sometime soon.
A lot of PR has been generated for both Aston Martin and Hawkins.
The bit that is missing is comparative lap times. Quite why A-M are running a test with last year’s car at the Hungaroring also seems a bit odd. Presumably they are using publicity rubber rather than the quick stuff.
It looks like hype, a proper tyre test where times can be compared would give a representative idea as to where her talents really are and how soon we will see a woman competing in F1
Williams did the same with Susie Wolff when Toto had a shareholding. I think Davina Galicia’s record is likely to stand for some time yet.
The bit that is missing is comparative lap times. Quite why A-M are running a test with last year’s car at the Hungaroring also seems a bit odd. Presumably they are using publicity rubber rather than the quick stuff.
It looks like hype, a proper tyre test where times can be compared would give a representative idea as to where her talents really are and how soon we will see a woman competing in F1
Williams did the same with Susie Wolff when Toto had a shareholding. I think Davina Galicia’s record is likely to stand for some time yet.
Yazza54 said:
I totally get that young girls need to be inspired to take up Motorsport and certain thing have to be done to help that along.. but also maybe most girls just aren't into it? Should we force them to be?
I don’t see anyone forcing anyone into anything.People are promoting what is possible, removing glass ceilings.
Will we end up with 50% of the grid being women? Very probably not, but women and other minorities need to be aware that it’s possible - that it truly is a meritocracy that doesn’t regard gender or race.
Personally I do not have a problem with women being pushed towards F1. Inclusivity is to be commended.
What I do have a problem with is women being elevated above their ability, in the same way Mick S, that Russian t
t and to a lesser extent Lance has. I do not mind Lance so much as he has - particularly in variable conditions - shown a commendable ability. But, against a legend in Alonso, has withered somewhat (....understandably) and sadly crumbled.
Let's get them in there, tell everyone the level of expectation and be honest. There are not many, for various reasons, but there will be a woman one day that beats all, some day!! That day will be sublime!!
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