Will Max crash into Lewis on the last race just to win?

Will Max crash into Lewis on the last race just to win?

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Muzzer79

9,979 posts

187 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Jonny_ said:
Now that they're dead level on points, with Max ahead on race wins, this raises an interesting question.

Say that the predictions here come to fruition and Max takes both Hamilton and himself out of the race. And subsequently is found in breach of sporting conduct regs. Obviously no time penalty or DQ would actually matter, given that Lewis is prevented from scoring any points. Is there any option open to the stewards that would NOT still result in his taking the WDC?

Or, in other words, is there any actual deterrent?
If it’s a big enough incident to take Hamilton out of the race, I would expect max to be disqualified and face a points deduction/disqualification.

thegreenhell

15,351 posts

219 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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They could DQ him from the championship, like they did to Schumacher in '97 when he deliberately tried to take out Villeneuve.

Tommo87

4,220 posts

113 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..


thegreenhell

15,351 posts

219 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Tommo87 said:
RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..
It would be worse that Renault's Crashgate if they were found out. I don't think any of the other three would do it anyway.

Evanivitch

20,078 posts

122 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Tommo87 said:
RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..
Would it really be worth the careers of the other drivers?

Jonny_

4,128 posts

207 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Tommo87 said:
RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..
True, but I don't think any of the other RB/AT drivers are daft enough to do it. None of them will care enough about Max winning the championship to put themselves at that kind of risk.


Teppic

7,354 posts

257 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Jonny_ said:
Tommo87 said:
RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..
True, but I don't think any of the other RB/AT drivers are daft enough to do it. None of them will care enough about Max winning the championship to put themselves at that kind of risk.
All OK until Helmet says “obey orders or we will replace you with drivers who will”

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Evanivitch said:
I think we got our answer today!
Was it ever in doubt? It's been his form forever.

Schermerhorn

4,342 posts

189 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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No I dont think so.

The world is watching him now and as much of a sociopath he is, he won't risk it like that.


thegreenhell

15,351 posts

219 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Schermerhorn said:
No I dont think so.

The world is watching him now and as much of a sociopath he is, he won't risk it like that.
Do you think he has the self control to think about that in the heat of battle, or any other time for that matter?

Evanivitch

20,078 posts

122 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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jsf said:
Evanivitch said:
I think we got our answer today!
Was it ever in doubt? It's been his form forever.
I was the first response to the OP wink

JmatthewB

912 posts

122 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Tommo87 said:
RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..
True, but Mercedes seem to have good relations Aston Martin and Williams. Maybe Russell could get himself in the good books before he starts his Mercedes career.

simonw67

1,452 posts

33 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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I couldn't be more sure of anything but Max crashing into lewis in the next race unless he is clearly ahead. I am going to check the bookies odd's.

Jonny_

4,128 posts

207 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Teppic said:
Jonny_ said:
Tommo87 said:
RB have 4x cars to throw at Lewis, remember.

Max doesn’t have to do it himself..
True, but I don't think any of the other RB/AT drivers are daft enough to do it. None of them will care enough about Max winning the championship to put themselves at that kind of risk.
All OK until Helmet says “obey orders or we will replace you with drivers who will”
Can't see it. I mean, I don't doubt that he'd LIKE to say that, but reality would be that the driver he kicked out simply opens up to the press and the FIA about it. Even Sith Lord Marko wouldn't take that risk.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Well today was rather interesting...,

glazbagun

14,280 posts

197 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Jonny_ said:
Now that they're dead level on points, with Max ahead on race wins, this raises an interesting question.

Say that the predictions here come to fruition and Max takes both Hamilton and himself out of the race. And subsequently is found in breach of sporting conduct regs. Obviously no time penalty or DQ would actually matter, given that Lewis is prevented from scoring any points. Is there any option open to the stewards that would NOT still result in his taking the WDC?

Or, in other words, is there any actual deterrent?
Michael was disqualified from the whole championship for what he tried to do to Jaques in 97, but it was no real penalty as Michael lost on points in the end.

Teppic

7,354 posts

257 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Well, it seems clear that if Max takes Hamilton out in Abu Dhabi, he will at most be handed a 10 second penalty.

I think Max will have already decided that it’s worth it.

Max is a dirty, dangerous driver. And dirty, dangerous driving in races can potentially end up with someone being injured or killed.

Lewis should sit out the last race and tell Max that if he wants the championship that badly, he can have it.

Edited by Teppic on Monday 6th December 11:22

Hungrymc

6,664 posts

137 months

Sunday 5th December 2021
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Hungrymc said:
I'm going NO

So much focus on these two, so much information available to analyze any incident. And so much discussion and interrogation of the stewards and race direction... I don't think any bad and decisive moves either way (Lewis may be in the lead by then) would go unpunished.
I’m changing my vote after Saudi. I didn’t want to believe he might, but I’m now very much a “yes”

CanAm

9,209 posts

272 months

Monday 6th December 2021
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Jonny_ said:
Now that they're dead level on points, with Max ahead on race wins, this raises an interesting question.

Say that the predictions here come to fruition and Max takes both Hamilton and himself out of the race. And subsequently is found in breach of sporting conduct regs. Obviously no time penalty or DQ would actually matter, given that Lewis is prevented from scoring any points. Is there any option open to the stewards that would NOT still result in his taking the WDC?

Or, in other words, is there any actual deterrent?
Well the FIA stripped Schumacher of all of his points in 1997, but that only cost him second place in the Championship. Would they have the nerve to effectively disqualify a championship winner?

Sir Bagalot

6,479 posts

181 months

Monday 6th December 2021
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I would have said No, he wouldn't be that stupid.

Then I saw the restart from third and he basically went into the corner saying I'm coming through or I'm going out.