Will Max crash into Lewis on the last race just to win?
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Leithen said:
Time for Todt to step in, draw upon his first hand experience, and read the riot act.
Disqualification from Championship, loss of Constructor points and loss of wind tunnel hours for any unsporting attempt to decide the title.
And deep sea diver's boots in the 2022 season...Disqualification from Championship, loss of Constructor points and loss of wind tunnel hours for any unsporting attempt to decide the title.
I can picture it now:
Next race Hamilton on pole, Verstappen second. Verstappen does what most people suspect he’s going to do and takes them both out. Max’s quote to the press, or even more insultingly, to Hamilton’s face: “If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. I can’t remember who said that, Prost maybe?”
Next race Hamilton on pole, Verstappen second. Verstappen does what most people suspect he’s going to do and takes them both out. Max’s quote to the press, or even more insultingly, to Hamilton’s face: “If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. I can’t remember who said that, Prost maybe?”
Robberto said:
I can picture it now:
Next race Hamilton on pole, Verstappen second. Verstappen does what most people suspect he’s going to do and takes them both out. Max’s quote to the press, or even more insultingly, to Hamilton’s face: “If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. I can’t remember who said that, Prost maybe?”
What the fia should respond with “you are no longer a racing driver so you now have plenty of time to think about the irony” as they are ripping up his licence. Next race Hamilton on pole, Verstappen second. Verstappen does what most people suspect he’s going to do and takes them both out. Max’s quote to the press, or even more insultingly, to Hamilton’s face: “If you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver. I can’t remember who said that, Prost maybe?”
Just watched the highlights of that race again, with a clear head - and the more you watch it, the worse it looks.
That sort of slowing down gamesmanship, would be an instant black flag at any club meeting. Add to the off-track excursions, and it starts to look quite possible that there will be an attempt at a professional foul next weekend.
The official decision-making across this whole meeting was also terrible, chaotic and inconsistent.
As others have said, Jean Todt needs to read the riot act to Masi and Marko this week, and properly brief the Abu Dhabi stewards about the range of available punishments.
If it doesn’t go their way, Mercedes must be genuinely concerned at associating their brand with a sport that now looks more like wrestling, than a straight competition to build the fastest car.
That sort of slowing down gamesmanship, would be an instant black flag at any club meeting. Add to the off-track excursions, and it starts to look quite possible that there will be an attempt at a professional foul next weekend.
The official decision-making across this whole meeting was also terrible, chaotic and inconsistent.
As others have said, Jean Todt needs to read the riot act to Masi and Marko this week, and properly brief the Abu Dhabi stewards about the range of available punishments.
If it doesn’t go their way, Mercedes must be genuinely concerned at associating their brand with a sport that now looks more like wrestling, than a straight competition to build the fastest car.
jimPH said:
Sandpit Steve said:
That sort of slowing down gamesmanship, would be an instant black flag at any club meeting.
Aye, Bottas should have been reprimanded for that, they did it so they could stack the pit stop.Sir Bagalot said:
I would have said No, he wouldn't be that stupid.
Then I saw the restart from third and he basically went into the corner saying I'm coming through or I'm going out.
This - entirely, after the previous start where he tried the same after Hamilton overtook him from the lineThen I saw the restart from third and he basically went into the corner saying I'm coming through or I'm going out.
The stewards failure to deal with Max has lost F1 a long time fan, it isn't bumper cars and you are not supposed to use your car to force another off the track, he should have been given a significant time penalty but negotiating with the team over the re-ordering . . . . . . . . who the hell is in charge, certainly not the stewards.
It should be made very clear to Max that if it happens again he loses his licence and is disqualified from the championship.
It should be made very clear to Max that if it happens again he loses his licence and is disqualified from the championship.
Verstappen is the new Schumacher, willing to do whatever it takes to win, it is almost inevitable that they are going to hit each other in the final race.
This is going to be a replay of Adelaide 94 with Hill or Jerez 97 with Villeneuve.
Unfortunately I think the stewards will be deciding who wins the championship.
This is going to be a replay of Adelaide 94 with Hill or Jerez 97 with Villeneuve.
Unfortunately I think the stewards will be deciding who wins the championship.
IJWS15 said:
The stewards failure to deal with Max has lost F1 a long time fan, it isn't bumper cars and you are not supposed to use your car to force another off the track, he should have been given a significant time penalty but negotiating with the team over the re-ordering . . . . . . . . who the hell is in charge, certainly not the stewards.
It should be made very clear to Max that if it happens again he loses his licence and is disqualified from the championship.
It wasn't much of a negotiation though was it, either take a time penalty or a grid penalty?It should be made very clear to Max that if it happens again he loses his licence and is disqualified from the championship.
TX.
Joey Deacon said:
Verstappen is the new Schumacher, willing to do whatever it takes to win, it is almost inevitable that they are going to hit each other in the final race.
This is going to be a replay of Adelaide 94 with Hill or Jerez 97 with Villeneuve.
Unfortunately I think the stewards will be deciding who wins the championship.
Max is such a superb raw talent, but what he was doing yesterday and Brazil goes way beyond anything Shuey would have tried to pull off.This is going to be a replay of Adelaide 94 with Hill or Jerez 97 with Villeneuve.
Unfortunately I think the stewards will be deciding who wins the championship.
I have always liked Christian Horner, but rather than trying to reign-in Max’s excesses, he is encouraging them, by throwing mud at Michael Masi and the Stewards.
Red Bull just no longer seem to get it that the sport is codified precisely because it is dangerous.
I like to celebrate anyone who wins, but winning at any cost has no place on Motorsport.
rdjohn said:
Max is such a superb raw talent, but what he was doing yesterday and Brazil goes way beyond anything Shuey would have tried to pull off.
I have always liked Christian Horner, but rather than trying to reign-in Max’s excesses, he is encouraging them, by throwing mud at Michael Masi and the Stewards.
Red Bull just no longer seem to get it that the sport is codified precisely because it is dangerous.
I like to celebrate anyone who wins, but winning at any cost has no place on Motorsport.
Absolutely agree with this. He has the potential to become a multiple world championship winner through his outright pace, not all this other sI have always liked Christian Horner, but rather than trying to reign-in Max’s excesses, he is encouraging them, by throwing mud at Michael Masi and the Stewards.
Red Bull just no longer seem to get it that the sport is codified precisely because it is dangerous.
I like to celebrate anyone who wins, but winning at any cost has no place on Motorsport.
t. Horner should be dragging him to the back of the garage and reading him the riot act rather than undermining the officials, other teams and the sport in general.Zetec-S said:
Absolutely agree with this. He has the potential to become a multiple world championship winner through his outright pace, not all this other st. Horner should be dragging him to the back of the garage and reading him the riot act rather than undermining the officials, other teams and the sport in general.
I saw a tweet that started. "This has the potential to get messy". It already is. Half the two teams teams efforts are spent sniping at the other team for some form of suspected infraction or other, rather than doing a good job themselves.t. Horner should be dragging him to the back of the garage and reading him the riot act rather than undermining the officials, other teams and the sport in general.I wonder how big the crash at the final race will be.
Max has not changed since he got into F1.
Robust is a word used and i don't think covers it.
yesterday he failed to make the corner twice, the rules are clear to my understanding that to rejoin the track you must do it safely. On both occasions he rejoined unsafely and knew exactly what he was doing, he had the points lead and knew he has the upperhand when it comes to risk factors.
1st time he was on the outside left the track and tried to drive back on in an almost straight line, he made no attempt to turn right until his car was blocking Hamilton. He had some room to his right which he could have used to rejoin on a better trajectory for the straight.
2nd time he was on the side, was way too fast, like previous occasions prevented Hamilton from making the corner ash he had to avoid an accident. It was right to make him give back both positions as the overspeed took him past both cars on entry.
The brake "check" was just stupid, the FIA should inform the car behind first as that means they're aware the car head will slow down. Do i believe Hamilton didn't know what was going on? no, verstappen slowed from full throttle, both drivers were guilty of gamesmanship. Verstappen knew what he was doing, Hamilton read it and Verstappen slammed on in a bit of a rage. Verstappen was also weaving slightly right before braking which would make anybody versous of driving past.
The FIA stewards were consistent with penalties for this race and adhered to the letter of the rules. they have very much set a precedent for the final race and i hope by doing so they are not needed.
Robust is a word used and i don't think covers it.
yesterday he failed to make the corner twice, the rules are clear to my understanding that to rejoin the track you must do it safely. On both occasions he rejoined unsafely and knew exactly what he was doing, he had the points lead and knew he has the upperhand when it comes to risk factors.
1st time he was on the outside left the track and tried to drive back on in an almost straight line, he made no attempt to turn right until his car was blocking Hamilton. He had some room to his right which he could have used to rejoin on a better trajectory for the straight.
2nd time he was on the side, was way too fast, like previous occasions prevented Hamilton from making the corner ash he had to avoid an accident. It was right to make him give back both positions as the overspeed took him past both cars on entry.
The brake "check" was just stupid, the FIA should inform the car behind first as that means they're aware the car head will slow down. Do i believe Hamilton didn't know what was going on? no, verstappen slowed from full throttle, both drivers were guilty of gamesmanship. Verstappen knew what he was doing, Hamilton read it and Verstappen slammed on in a bit of a rage. Verstappen was also weaving slightly right before braking which would make anybody versous of driving past.
The FIA stewards were consistent with penalties for this race and adhered to the letter of the rules. they have very much set a precedent for the final race and i hope by doing so they are not needed.
Joey Deacon said:
Verstappen is the new Schumacher, willing to do whatever it takes to win, it is almost inevitable that they are going to hit each other in the final race.
This is going to be a replay of Adelaide 94 with Hill or Jerez 97 with Villeneuve.
Unfortunately I think the stewards will be deciding who wins the championship.
Hamilton does everything he can to win, like backing up his own team mate into traffic and he's always running people out wide, they all do it. This is going to be a replay of Adelaide 94 with Hill or Jerez 97 with Villeneuve.
Unfortunately I think the stewards will be deciding who wins the championship.
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